Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[D.P.]

What lie? What are you on about D.P?

Neither the FE nor Xp are "Professional" cards like the Quadros or Radeon Pros.

The only one lying ( at best being confusing in their marketing ) here is NVIDIA. On one hand stating it's not for gamers; and publicly doing so for reviewers, and then listing gaming performance on their site as well.

Also can you tell me which games and consumer uses there are for Deep Learning, Neural Network Training; along with A.I development? Since it's clearly not something a professional will want to use.

You are continually trying to make the lie that the Titan XP is marked towards professional software. No where has Nvidia claimed this to be the case, it is now whre on their website, it is no where in their marketing blurb. It doesn;t even allow you to install the professional drivers. Despite given evidence to the contrary you are continuously trying to assert a point that is just plain wrong.

Fine, you might have misunderstood that deep learning is part of the professional software market, but I have pointed out several times that it isn;t and you kept repeated the fallacy.


Nvidia have made it abundantly clear that if you want to run professional software then buy a Quadro

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Professional is the wrong word here, as both are professionals, but they do totally different work. Workstation/Cad people don't use Titan X and Deap Learning People don't use Quadros. Both are totally different market segments. You won't find many Workstation People which ever worked with DL. The Vega FE is also beating the Titan in Deap Learning workloads, which is a good comparison, but cad work isn't done on titans and it's a useless comparison by amd. Especially as even a Quadro4000 seems to beat it.

The Frontier Edition is also not a Radeon Pro, which is the equivalent of the Quadro.

FE vs Xp is a very apt comparison. They're both Prosumer cards that sit in the middle of it all.
It wasn't long ago AMD's slogan was "For the creators who game, and the gamers who create".

NVIDIA also on their very own site list the Xp for Deep Learning; and list it as "The fastest accelerator for deep neural network training on a desktop PC based on the revolutionary NVIDIA Pascal™ architecture".

It's clear to see why AMD is comparing it against it; it's the direct counter part; with the only thing missing so far being gaming tests to round off the comparison.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

You are continually trying to make the lie that the Titan XP is marked towards professional software. No where has Nvidia claimed this to be the case, it is now whre on their website, it is no where in their marketing blurb. It doesn;t even allow you to install the professional drivers. Despite given evidence to the contrary you are continuously trying to assert a point that is just plain wrong.

Fine, you might have misunderstood that deep learning is part of the professional software market, but I have pointed out several times that it isn;t and you kept repeated the fallacy.


Nvidia have made it abundantly clear that if you want to run professional software then buy a Quadro

Where have I lied and stated the Xp is only for professional use? Please quote me on it.

All I've done repeatedly is state NVIDIA themselves state it's not for gaming, and that their marketing is confusing. I've clearly stated numerous times it's a Prosumer card like the Frontier Edition.

Just like AMD have clearly stated the FE is not a Radeon Pro Card, and that those are coming Q3 2017.

So please, quote me lies and link to them for all to see.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Just because one is a professional does not mean they use what is referred to as professional software within the industry.


Deep learning is part of the whole HPC and data center product line.

Professional software refers to things like AutoCAD, Solid Works, 3DSmax etc and other visualization software. It has nothing to do with deep learning or HPC.

That might well be where some posters are getting confused though.

forgive me for being naive, but isn't a professional piece of software, software designed to be used by professionals? If people that are not professional would they really be using deep learning software?

 

[AllBodies]

Precisely. The 7nm process looks to be better than Intel's 10nm and TSMC's 7nm, so for the first time AMD will have a fab advantage. This is especially important for CPUs, but will obviously help on the GPU side as well. The 7nm process is the product of an alliance by IBM/Samsung/GloFo.

In case some people haven't seen the 7LP summary from GloFo: https://www.globalfoundries.com/sites/default/files/product-briefs/7lp-product-brief.pdf

 

[D.P.]

The Frontier Edition is also not a Radeon Pro, which is the equivalent of the Quadro.

FE vs Xp is a very apt comparison. They're both Prosumer cards that sit in the middle of it all.
It wasn't long ago AMD's slogan was "For the creators who game, and the gamers who create".

NVIDIA also on their very own site list the Xp for Deep Learning; and list it as "The fastest accelerator for deep neural network training on a desktop PC based on the revolutionary NVIDIA Pascal™ architecture".

It's clear to see why AMD is comparing it against it; it's the direct counter part; with the only thing missing so far being gaming tests to round off the comparison.

Here you go keep repeating this nonsense, ad-nauseum.

Deep learning has absolute nothing to do with professional software. Stop repeating this garage

 

[D.P.]

forgive me for being naive, but isn't a professional piece of software, software designed to be used by professionals? If people that are not professional would they really be using deep learning software?

No, Profesional software is a term used within industry to refer to certain specific software such as Solid Works used for productivity. It has nothing to do with deep learning or HPC.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Here you go keep repeating this nonsense, ad-nauseum.

Deep learning has absolute nothing to do with professional software. Stop repeating this garage

I'm sorry what?
What nonsense, please break it down for us. (I'm still waiting for the lies I've apparently posted before where I stated the Titan Xp is for professional use only)

I clearly state both are Prosumer cards and that they're right for comparing to it.
Also what you didn't quote is the rest. No lies, just a direct source from NVIDIA , and quoting them. Along with a direct source to PcPer stating Radeon Pro Vega cards coming later.

Here's another link for everyone else to that post.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/30921140/

But the Titan XP is not meant to be used for professional software, vega FE is.

The FE is a Prosumer card that'll also allow pro work. It doesn't have certified professional drivers. They're a perfect match up.

Want a professional Vega card? Wait for Radeon Pro WX Vega.
https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics...r-and-Liquid-Cooled-GPUs-Now-Available-Pre-Or

Before you pre-order, however, there’s one big caveat. Although AMD touts the card as ideal for “innovators, creators, and pioneers of the world,” the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition will lack application certification, a factor that is crucial to many who work with content creation software and something typically found in high-end professional GPUs like the Quadro and FirePro lines.

For those hoping for Vega-based professional cards sporting certification, the Vega Frontier Edition product page teases the launch of the Vega-powered Radeon Pro WX in Q3 2017.

Heck NVIDIA directly told people that the Titan Xp is not a gaming card when they asked about it. They tried to refuse to even supply JayzTwoCents with them, once again stating they're not for gaming.

NVIDIA also list the Titan Xp for Desktop development, and for Deep Neural network training; and launched the Titan Xp at an A.I Meetup in San Francisco.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/deep-learning-ai/developer/

 

[D.P.]

Where have I lied and stated the Xp is only for professional use? Please quote me on it.

All I've done repeatedly is state NVIDIA themselves state it's not for gaming, and that their marketing is confusing. I've clearly stated numerous times it's a Prosumer card like the Frontier Edition.

Just like AMD have clearly stated the FE is not a Radeon Pro Card, and that those are coming Q3 2017.

So please, quote me lies and link to them for all to see.

Can you please show me 1 single source of information that states the Titan Pascal is NOT for gaming.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/titan-xp/

Count on silky-smooth gameplay for the best 4k surround gaming

hmm, funny that.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Can you please show me 1 single source of information that states the Titan Pascal is NOT for gaming.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/titan-xp/

hmm, funny that.

Excuse me, where have I ever stated it's NOT for gaming?

NVIDIA have told a reviewer it's not for gaming, and I pointed to that before. Here let me link you again.

https://t.co/kP1kwQu2EH

Please I'm still waiting for you to quote my previous lies you keep going on about.

 

[D.P.]

I'm sorry what?
What nonsense, please break it down for us.

I clearly state both are Prosumer cards and that they're right for comparing to it.
Also what you didn't quote is the rest. No lies, just a direct source from NVIDIA , and quoting them. Along with a direct source to PcPer stating Radeon Pro Vega cards coming later.

Here's the link for everyone else to that post.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/30921140/

Stop trolling, you are just digging a hole for yourself.
You provided a quote from Nvidia that proves absolutely nothing you are saying. You need to provide a quote that states the Titan XP is aimed for Professional software. Stop with this Deep learning nonsense, it is completely irrelevant.


I would understand if you mistakenly believed deep learning referred to professional software but it has been pointed out that it isn't.


Nvidia has marketed the Titan for deep learning, so it would make sense to look at benchmarks of deep learning with the Vega and Titan XP. The thing is Vega should actually wipe the floor with the TitanXP due to the FP16 double-rate performance. that would be a useful benchmark.


But comparing Professional Software on a GPU that NVidia explicitly doesn't sell for Professional use it absolutely ridiculous apples and orange comparison.

 

[D.P.]

Excuse me, where have I ever stated it's NOT for gaming?

NVIDIA have told a reviewer it's not for gaming, and I pointed to that before. Here let me link you again.

https://t.co/kP1kwQu2EH

Please I'm still waiting for you to quote my previous lies you keep going on about.

In the post that I quoted.

Where have I lied and stated the Xp is only for professional use? Please quote me on it.

All I've done repeatedly is state NVIDIA themselves state it's not for gaming, and that their marketing is confusing. I've clearly stated numerous times it's a Prosumer card like the Frontier Edition.

Just like AMD have clearly stated the FE is not a Radeon Pro Card, and that those are coming Q3 2017.

So please, quote me lies and link to them for all to see.

Look, you are either trolling or are not thinking straight. You are constantly reapting the same lies.

 

[Samwell]

The Frontier Edition is also not a Radeon Pro, which is the equivalent of the Quadro.

FE vs Xp is a very apt comparison. They're both Prosumer cards that sit in the middle of it all.
It wasn't long ago AMD's slogan was "For the creators who game, and the gamers who create".

NVIDIA also on their very own site list the Xp for Deep Learning; and list it as "The fastest accelerator for deep neural network training on a desktop PC based on the revolutionary NVIDIA Pascal™ architecture".

It's clear to see why AMD is comparing it against it; it's the direct counter part; with the only thing missing so far being gaming tests to round off the comparison.

It's a Deap Learning counterpart but no Workstation counterpart. There are cheaper and faster workstation cards at the same price of a titan. No one is using a titan in this software. It's just a pointless comparison of a card crippled totally by drivers for that segment with amds a bit less crippled card, as it should also be faster looking at the Pro series. AMD gave their card some workstation features, but if they want to get some sales in this market they need to compare to quadros. Like i said, people are not using Titans for workstation workloads.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Stop trolling, you are just digging a hole for yourself.
You provided a quote from Nvidia that proves absolutely nothing you are saying. You need to provide a quite that states the Titan XP is aimed for Profesional software. Stop with this Deep learning nonsense, it is completely irrelevant.

Excuse me, I never once stated the Xp was for Professional use. Here let me quote myself for you.

Once again, video link to the reviewer where NVIDIA told him thei're not for gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYlMrxIgoME&feature=youtu.be&t=5m44s

I've never once stated the Titan Xp is NOT for gaming; I've stated several times it's a Prosumer card like the Frontier Edition.

Just like with the FE and Titan Xp you can simply get cheaper Professional cards. So please, once again I ask where have "I" stated it's only for professional use?

I clearly keep saying Prosumer card, as neither it not the FE have certified professional drivers.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

It's a Deap Learning counterpart but no Workstation counterpart. There are cheaper and faster workstation cards at the same price of a titan. No one is using a titan in this software. It's just a pointless comparison of a card crippled totally by drivers for that segment with amds a bit less crippled card, as it should also be faster looking at the Pro series. AMD gave their card some workstation features, but if they want to get some sales in this market they need to compare to quadros. Like i said, people are not using Titans for workstation workloads.

AMD won't compare it to a Quadro like NVIDIA won't compare the Xp to the Quadros.

AMD are launching their Radeon Pro Vega cards later in the year.
https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics...r-and-Liquid-Cooled-GPUs-Now-Available-Pre-Or

https://exxactcorp.com/index.php/product/prod_detail/2565

I've quoted this about 10 times today I think,

Before you pre-order, however, there’s one big caveat. Although AMD touts the card as ideal for “innovators, creators, and pioneers of the world,” the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition will lack application certification, a factor that is crucial to many who work with content creation software and something typically found in high-end professional GPUs like the Quadro and FirePro lines.

For those hoping for Vega-based professional cards sporting certification, the Vega Frontier Edition product page teases the launch of the Vega-powered Radeon Pro WX in Q3 2017.

 

[doodah]

People butting heads over graphics cards, let me know when you're done lol.

 

[TwsT]

People butting heads over graphics cards, let me know when you're done lol.

never this is OcUK GPU section

 

[Armageus]

People butting heads over graphics cards, let me know when you're done lol.

Indeed.

Only skim read the last couple of pages, but couldn't see anything related to Vega, just the usual NVIDIA vs AMD nonsense from the usual suspects. If there is nothing useful to discuss about Vega, I suggest just not discussing anything

 

[Martini1991]

Indeed.

Only skim read the last couple of pages, but couldn't see anything related to Vega, just the usual NVIDIA vs AMD nonsense from the usual suspects. If there is nothing useful to discuss about Vega, I suggest just not discussing anything

It's not even just AMD versus Nvidia, it's utter pointless semantics.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Indeed.

Only skim read the last couple of pages, but couldn't see anything related to Vega, just the usual NVIDIA vs AMD nonsense from the usual suspects. If there is nothing useful to discuss about Vega, I suggest just not discussing anything

It's not even just AMD versus Nvidia, it's utter pointless semantics.

Aye, sorry for getting wrapped up in it. I'm done with it, with those two final posts. Now to wait for Frontier Edition independent review results.