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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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FoxEye said:
Feel free to also take Kyle's word that you can use a 500W PSU (/snigger) to run Vega 64 over AMD's official word.. they stated 750W *minimum*.

You say you "know about PSUs"... Do you know that a 500W PSU at full load will pull more watts from your wall than a 1000W PSU at 1/2 load? You knew that, yeah?

Did you know that a 500W PSU at full load will run pretty damn hot, and possibly be dangerous if run like that for long periods? You knew that too, right?

So let's get all this together...

You're happy to take Kyle's word over AMD's.
Your happy to run a 500W PSU at full load for long periods, and would recommend this over running a 750/850/1000W CPU at ~50% load. Despite the fact that it will cost you more in electiricity to do that (negating the saving you made from buying a lower-rated PSU). And you're happy to reduce the operational life of your PSU in doing so (further negating that cost-saving you made).

Good stuff. Clearly you know what you're talking about :p
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Yeah it's not because something can be done that it should be done, sure a stock system with a vega 64/FE can run on a 500w PSU, but I can also run my 4790k at 1.4v and game at those voltages, but it doesn't mean that I should if I want to keep my CPU for a decent amount of time.
 
Nexus18 said:
Maybe not now since nvidia have fixed their "bug" but the only choice people would have had if they wanted a performance improvement on nvidia hardware would have been to buy the far more expensive quadro cards. Also what about "future" customers that want such cards for work purposes??? Now they have similarly priced competitive products....

Also, vega FE trashes ALL GTX cards for consumer/pro tasks..... The only nvidia cards that "currently" beat if for such tasks are quadro cards which cost far more ££££....
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Not true in the slightest, An $800 Quadro cards beats Vega FE in Pro work and comes with fully certified drivers and professional support.
 
80+ Gold has been the standard for at least 5 years. Sorry but you are living in the past. I haven't built a machine with less than Platinum myself for that time. None of our 400 work computers have less than 80+ gold either.

Now the market has always pushed higher watt PSU's. I brought a 1200 watt PSU 9 years ago because I thought I had to with the 50% load rule back then. It was already starting to become dated advice. It really is not needed. The reason that owners of Plat/Ti PSU's is because that is where companies can premium price easier and tie in the higher wattage ability with the higher rating. That is all.

Also if you are suggesting anyone who is looking at Vega as an upgrade is using a PSU that is older than 7 years old then I would certainly be suggesting for them to upgrade now anyways.

Again you can purchase 520 watt fanless and run them at 90% load just fine 24/7 and not worry about heat burning it up because of the efficiency. Further to that it depends on your case and also if you are using WC on your card as well for instance. Yes there are times where running a cooler PSU may benefit but actually with a lot of cases having shrouds now, the GPU coming with AIO or people adding them on etc is that it is much less an issue. Also at 91% efficiency that is going to be around 70 watt of heat pumped out. You are talking about rising temps by a degree or two internally of a case with poor airflow and nothing notable in a decently cooled case.

The last point is that you can get 700watt small form factor and they still cool fine as well without issues and are designed to go into small cases. I have one in Dans case that is using 80% load no problem. Again I think the differences with component quality and heat output etc for them is significantly different now to 5-7 years ago.
 
opethdisciple said:
Typical launch from AMD really.

Tech of tomorrow today before the market is ready. Which is probably what explains why AMD tech ages well.

Nvidia on the other hand, push the tech of today forward for today, which is why they have the performance crown and don't age well.

Depends on your priorities.

I'm attracted to the tech in Vega and the fact that Vega supports all the DX12 features. Issue only is that how many proper DX12 games are there, and what currently exists, we all know its mostly better to use DX11.
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Tech of tomorrow with performance of yesteryear.
 
Curlyriff said:
80+ Gold has been the standard for at least 5 years. Sorry but you are living in the past. I haven't built a machine with less than Platinum myself for that time. None of our 400 work computers have less than 80+ gold either.

Now the market has always pushed higher watt PSU's. I brought a 1200 watt PSU 9 years ago because I thought I had to with the 50% load rule back then. It was already starting to become dated advice. It really is not needed. The reason that owners of Plat/Ti PSU's is because that is where companies can premium price easier and tie in the higher wattage ability with the higher rating. That is all.

Also if you are suggesting anyone who is looking at Vega as an upgrade is using a PSU that is older than 7 years old then I would certainly be suggesting for them to upgrade now anyways.

Again you can purchase 520 watt fanless and run them at 90% load just fine 24/7 and not worry about heat burning it up because of the efficiency. Further to that it depends on your case and also if you are using WC on your card as well for instance. Yes there are times where running a cooler PSU may benefit but actually with a lot of cases having shrouds now, the GPU coming with AIO or people adding them on etc is that it is much less an issue. Also at 91% efficiency that is going to be around 70 watt of heat pumped out. You are talking about rising temps by a degree or two internally of a case with poor airflow and nothing notable in a decently cooled case.

The last point is that you can get 700watt small form factor and they still cool fine as well without issues and are designed to go into small cases. I have one in Dans case that is using 80% load no problem. Again I think the differences with component quality and heat output etc for them is significantly different now to 5-7 years ago.
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Just checked my own PSU (Antec TP-650 80+ Bronze) and it's 7 years old this year. How time flies. Only cost £58 back in 2010. £130+ to replace it looking at prices here...

Heck you know I might go fanless myself after what you've said. Interesting.
 
Rroff said:
Probably to combat the people who go "1000 watt - I'm sure this '700watt' no-name PSU will do".
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Is that still a thing? Corsair's marketing has been so good for their PSUs even people I know that aren't tech savvy see them as the go to brand for PSUs so far.

Then again, I can see them covering like that though. You never know with some people.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Is that still a thing? Corsair's marketing has been so good for their PSUs even people I know that aren't tech savvy see them as the go to brand for PSUs so far.

Then again, I can see them covering like that though. You never know with some people.
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Not as much as it used to be - but I still find a lot of people who want to run a reasonably high spec gaming system on the bundled "500 watt" PSU that comes with their case and so on :s

On the subject of PSUs - built a system last night, just because I could, out of some spare parts I had lying around - fairly decent PSU, turned it on and after 2 minutes the PSU blew up in my face pretty much literally - guess it didn't like sitting around for about 5 years in a draw heh.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Is that still a thing? Corsair's marketing has been so good for their PSUs even people I know that aren't tech savvy see them as the go to brand for PSUs so far.

Then again, I can see them covering like that though. You never know with some people.
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Yeah Corsair's marketing has been great on PSUs I believe they have around 40% of the market share (probably more now)
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Is that still a thing? Corsair's marketing has been so good for their PSUs even people I know that aren't tech savvy see them as the go to brand for PSUs so far.
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I'm not sure that's such a great thing.

Corsair don't actually make PSUs, and even within the same range they have used different OEM suppliers, and quality has varied dramatically.
 
Rroff said:
Not as much as it used to be - but I still find a lot of people who want to run a reasonably high spec gaming system on the bundled "500 watt" PSU that comes with their case and so on :s

On the subject of PSUs - built a system last night, just because I could, out of some spare parts I had lying around - fairly decent PSU, turned it on and after 2 minutes the PSU blew up in my face pretty much literally - guess it didn't like sitting around for about 5 years in a draw heh.
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Re psu have you opened it up sounds like summit made its way in there while being at home in the draw for five years ?
 
harney said:
Re psu have you opened it up sounds like summit made its way in there while being at home in the draw for five years ?
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Haven't inspected it - was something I did when I had a couple of hours to kill and put aside looking into it for another day.
 
Rroff said:
Not as much as it used to be - but I still find a lot of people who want to run a reasonably high spec gaming system on the bundled "500 watt" PSU that comes with their case and so on :s

On the subject of PSUs - built a system last night, just because I could, out of some spare parts I had lying around - fairly decent PSU, turned it on and after 2 minutes the PSU blew up in my face pretty much literally - guess it didn't like sitting around for about 5 years in a draw heh.
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Bloody hell, the only PSUs that ever blew on me were Gigabyte Odyn, and Ultra 1000W. The latter blew when turned it on in my overclocked Phenom 2 system with 4870X2.

WeSbO said:
Yeah Corsair's marketing has been great on PSUs I believe they have around 40% of the market share (probably more now)
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FoxEye said:
I'm not sure that's such a great thing.

Corsair don't actually make PSUs, and even within the same range they have used different OEM suppliers, and quality has varied dramatically.
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Hmm, that is true. I can see how that can cause issues, although one would hope Corsair's quality control and testing at their suppliers is better. I'm the only on out of everyone i know with custom PCs that doesn't have a corsair PSU.

I like to read Johnny Guru reviews for PSU before ever buying one.
 
opethdisciple said:
My other concerns going AMD is the potential for another long wait to Navi.

Where as Nvidia you know their consistent yearly.
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Hopefully with them having exceeding sales expectation with Ryzen the last quarter; and their new contracts with Epyc they'll finally have the money to push into R&D for graphics.

One can really see where their money went the last few years; and as lacklustre Vega is for the high-end consumers; Zen is hitting all the correct spots for profitability.
 
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