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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **
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Yup. There's no guarantee that mining will go away this year, next year, this decade or never...
I'm feeling really pessimistic about PC gaming going forwards. It will jsut be the domain of people who can afford to spend £1000s every year.
Agreed. Nvidia is already in heavy competition in deep learning with dedicated hardware offering much more performance per watt.
But for HPC use architectures like Volta are still very powerful. And I suspect nvidia already have plans for dedicated deep learning chips, maximizing their Tensor cores.
And consequently the graphics quality of games will stagnate if it lasts for years and nobody can afford the new cards, and no one finds a solution to this "problem", not really any point making nicer games if nobody can buy the more advanced cards... On the upside they will have to concentrate more on the gameplay and the story line.
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This is VEGA thread, why am I reading what the mighty nvidia is and isn't good at?
I come in here to read up on latest Vega information or leaks not nvidia.
So stay on topic thanks
I come in here to read up on latest Vega information or leaks not nvidia.
So stay on topic thanks
Yes. Fury Nano if watercooled and not restricted by the tiny cooler, is a full blown FuryX under there, that overclocks to 1100/550, but no more. Is heavily power restricted.
FuryX can do 1190/600 with +48mv or 1237/625 with +96mv with the AIO, if the AMD UEFI bios is used (stock bios struggles above 1075). Custom watercooled haven't tried the FX only the Nano. (you can view my benchmarks on the other threads here).
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ASIC became about Chinese factories being able to manufacture designs faster and more cheaply then anyone else. The equipment and the use of ASIC becomes centralised to China [also some of the cheapest power in the world available]. Thats kind of ok in a way because China moving value to dollars is a large part of bitcoin and why its valued. However having all the mining centred around ASIC production is also a possible negative, its supposed to be a global currency equally accessible by all.
The use of GPU allows a more complex protocol I think, ETH handles contracts and escrow type situations. I think the ideal crypto would be cpu only, this was how bitcoin originally was.
The news with ETH is that it may not use GPU beyond this year, not sure but there is another system based around value not mining but reliant on account holders to operate a voluntary network (it pays some). It doesnt then use the gpu in a competitive way to ensure security but leans on the richest holders to have the most interest in honest confirmation of trades.
If 480 wasnt being used for ETH. Wouldnt the biggest competitor to Vega be crossfire of 480 or is that really not effective. Maybe that's a reasonable prediction for 2018 but I imagine they refine Vega use enough to keep it ahead of the tide
Free markets tend towards efficiency. ASIC cuts out the waste in btc process. ETH has found some purpose in a different direction but likely they wont continue with a more expensive transaction process then they have to.
Or another coin will go faster, cheaper, simpler and replace ETH maybe.
I think AI swamping use of gpu design is more likely. Its new, its possible very useful and unique and industry with trillions in revenue can justify diverting gpu chips for AI if it returns gains for them in their revenue.
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Thank you for the info. Makes sense
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Do that if you want. I was replying to someone saying the cards are going to be sold out because of mining, as if they were better than what's already available for less.
Wasn't really about you - there are some who inject the worst possible anti-AMD spin into everything I say and would start arguing I claimed AMD won't sell anything, other people mistake their claims for what I actually said and it pointlessly goes around for 3 pages until I drop it - even though I never claimed anything of the sort - so just pre-empting it.
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Have you not been paying attention for the last 5 years? Graphics have stagnated, you can thank consoles for it. This is the reason why 4-5 year old GPUs can still push mostly high settings - the only reason most of /us/ (the enthusiasts) are upgrading is because we're not doing 1080p60 anymore, we're pushing higher resolutions and higher refresh rates - which is "artificially" increasing the power demand, by this I mean the games haven't really changed it's /us/ who are forcing the change.
Consoles and the fact NVidia and Intel have had such dominance that competition isn't there. Gamers haven't helped matters either by accepting whatever is put on offer at whatever inflated price the companies settle on. I'm expecting my new 1080 to arrive today, but if it wasn't for Elite on VR being too demanding for an R9 390 I wouldn't have seen much reason to upgrade at all for the foreseeable future.
Does make you wonder how much performance is in products, nvidia drop a driver with x3 performance for a titan for whatever program it was
That was just Nvidia disabling that feature/performance on the card to protect their 'pro' card sales. AMD forced their hand to enable features the disabled.
Well - here is the rub
Kepler for instance supports a second DMA engine in the design (and some of the professional cards actually have it) and with minimal changes (in the hardware design - not something they can implement via a driver fix) could have supported a full ASync configuration with multiple command queues for graphics and compute + memory ops, etc. simultaneously with limited requirement for context switching or pre-emption, etc. - though on the flipside by the time anything actually really takes advantages of those kind of features Kepler would have been long history anyhow on the performance front.
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https://www.eteknix.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-arriving-september/
It seemed AMD will launch RX Vega 64 reference cards only on 14 August but not RX Vega 56 so you will have to wait another month until September for RX Vega 56 reference cards as well RX Vega 64 custom cards.
It seemed AMD will launch RX Vega 64 reference cards only on 14 August but not RX Vega 56 so you will have to wait another month until September for RX Vega 56 reference cards as well RX Vega 64 custom cards.
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