The anti Israel = anti semitism agenda

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I know right i mean, what kind of mindset is, "you evicted people, I'm going to fire 100s if rockets vaguely in the direction of all your people..."

Its not exactly a defensible starting position.

You are framing invasion as “evicted people”. When Germany invaded Poland was that simply eviction? When Polish resistance fighters fought back was that not defensible?
 
Evictions and land grabs are undeniably bloody wrong, but also firing mass volleys of unguided rockets into civilian areas is only going to lead to lots of death, unfortunately more Palestinians as Hamas/Iran care nothing for them.
Happy to condemn Hamas, no problem at all there, killing innocents is wrong. Now, again, lets hear a proportionate condemnation of what the Israeli government is doing. I say proportionate as there's a lot of "Yeah Israel are a bit naughty/heavy handed but what about the Palestinians MURDERING INNOCENT ISRAELI'S!!!!" which in no way represents the proportions of what both sides are doing.
 
I know right i mean, what kind of mindset is, "you evicted people, I'm going to fire 100s if rockets vaguely in the direction of all your people..."

Its not exactly a defensible starting position.
you know the world isn't fair? UN can't do anything because it's a joke of an organisation and anytime israels down to be punished comes america jumps in with the VETO
https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm

Adopting resolution 2334 (2016) by 14 votes, with the United States abstaining, the Council reiterated its demand that Israel immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem. It underlined that it would not recognize any changes to the 4 June 1967 lines, including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the two sides through negotiations.
so whys israel still doing the same in 2021? is it because they are an evil people? palestine is pure freedom fighting.... literally throwing rockets to attract attention and survive.....

what else do you expect them to do? be quiet and die in silence? this is essentially ethnic cleansing and genocide but people turn a blind eye because "poor jews" they are playng the sympathy card constantly whilst being the aggressor


israel is the sole reason there can never be peace in the middle east and they love it


israel learnt from the nazis the wrong lessons.....

palestine/gaza is essentially the warsaw ghetto.... and the remaining areas that are supposed to be palestine that israel invades and forcefully evicts palestines so they can move in some jewish people pure hitler move......


disgusting country absolutely disgusting

people dare blame the poor palestinian people trapped and resisting an occupation... UN's own words
 
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Doesn't matter who loses, you don't give in to bullies. The only thing that is understood in this world is that might makes right. That is the lesson shown.

Vengeance begets vengeance.

It’s all well and good for the one with might at the moment, but heaven forbid if this escalates again, with the Palestinians gaining access to a nuke or dirty bomb. Might not be any time soon, but in 3 years time, 5, 10? Will we still be saying “oh well might is right!”

Far better to de-escalate.
 
you know the world isn't fair?



israel is the sole reason there can never be peace in the middle east and they love it



disgusting country absolutely disgusting


Oh really? Recent conflicts in the me. Notice Israel involved in very few...

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A bigoted view to call people who want the right to own sovereign state evil.

Plenty of Islamic sovereign states but only only one Jewish state.

You clearly hate the Jews.

I have hatred for Israel not all Jews. They can have there state as long as they stop stealing other people's lands.

Your one of them clowns who conflate anything anti Israel with anti semetism.

Then your whole rationale is laid bare.
 
Doesn't matter who loses, you don't give in to bullies. The only thing that is understood in this world is that might makes right. That is the lesson shown.

Doesn't that justify Israel?

Although they have shown more restraint than many islamics states would have in the invasion

A Palestinian in Israel is probably better off than a non muslim in Pakistan or Egypt…
 
Oh really? Recent conflicts in the me. Notice Israel involved in very few...

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That lot have been fighting eachother since pre-historic times.

People expect Muslim states to be at war all the time, because they are. Also anyone who isnt one of them gets persecuted. Which is why they are all stuck in previous centuries.
 
Oh really? Recent conflicts in the me. Notice Israel involved in very few...
all these wars stem from Israel being there and doing there bit to stoke up tensions for america.

how you people can try to defend them....

israel are the real terrorists but you are brainwashed and blind, the place shouldn';t even exist some people decided to draw lines on a map after ww2... israel didn;t even stick to the bloody lines... just constant land grabs.

yea no other country is going to fight back when one country forcefully decides to alter it's borders? are u crazy?

So russia was right to grab crimea? atleast it was people who wanted to be russian..

maybe russia should take ukraine for the freedom of russians then build a wall around the rest of it and cut them off from society and run it like a prison colony. same as israel....

apatheids fine it's only the jewish people doing it
 
Doesn't matter who loses, you don't give in to bullies. The only thing that is understood in this world is that might makes right. That is the lesson shown.

You are crazy.

I think this comes down to the definition of the word "right". Is it effective to smash your opponent into submission? Absolutely. Is it ethical? Absolutely not.

What we are seeing here is just a pattern that has been repeated throughout history. @alchal I suggest you look at the history of the Peloponnesian War, even very briefly, particularly the siege of Melos, a campaign fought by Athens to show the Melians that they were no threat to them. The thrust was similar then, "might is right". It was a highly effective campaign; but moral? God, no.

With regards to Israel and Palestine, anyone who says the situation is not complex has not understood it sufficiently, studied it in detail or is understandably unaware of just how brutal both sides have been to each other and how far back the conflict 'goes'. I have long not taken sides with regard to it since there is no 'right' answer. With regard to the current situation, I wouldn't be surprised if it escalated to a war, one side pushed the other back, and then it started all over again.
 
Vengeance begets vengeance.

It’s all well and good for the one with might at the moment, but heaven forbid if this escalates again, with the Palestinians gaining access to a nuke or dirty bomb. Might not be any time soon, but in 3 years time, 5, 10? Will we still be saying “oh well might is right!”

Far better to de-escalate.

The loss of innocent lives is always sad.
 
Doesn't that justify Israel?

Although they have shown more restraint than many islamics states would have in the invasion

A Palestinian in Israel is probably better off than a non muslim in Pakistan or Egypt…

Israel is the bully here, if they were not stealing land you may have some point.
 
I have hatred for Israel not all Jews. They can have there state as long as they stop stealing other people's lands.

Your one of them clowns who conflate anything anti Israel with anti semetism.

Then your whole rationale is laid bare.

I'd rather be a Jew supporting clown than a Jew hating bigot.

Here, history is everything in the right for Jews to reclaim their historic lands.

I will discuss seven reasons why Israel is entitled to the land they have and that it should not be a part of the peace process. If this is something that Israel wants to do, it is their business to do it. But anyone who has tried to put the pressure on Israel to do this is wrong.

We are going to be hit by skeptics who are going to say we will be attacked because of our support for Israel, and if we get out of the Middle East -- that is us -- all the problems will go away. That is just not true. If we withdraw, all of these problems will again come to our door. I have some observations to make about that.

But I would like to reemphasize once again the seven reasons that Israel has the right to their land.

1) ARCHEOLOGY

The first reason is that Israel has the right to the land because of all of the archeological evidence. All the archeological evidence supports it. Every time there is a dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that Israelis have had a presence there for 3,000 years. The coins, the cities, the pottery, the culture -- there are other people, groups that are there, but there is no mistaking the fact that Israelis have been present in that land for 3,000 years. It predates any claims that other peoples in the region may have.

The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Israelis have. Even the Egyptians of today are not racial Egyptians of 2,000, 3,000 years ago. They are primarily an Arab people. The land is called Egypt, but they are not the same racial and ethnic stock as the old Egyptians of the ancient world.

The Israelis are in fact descended from the original Israelites.

2) HISTORY

The second proof of Israel's right to the land is the historic right. History supports it totally and completely. We know there has been an Israel up until the time of the Roman Empire. The Romans conquered the land. Israel had no homeland, although Jews were allowed to live there. They were driven from the land in two dispersions: One in 70 A.D. and the other in 135 A.D. But there was always a Jewish presence in the land.

The Turks, who took over about 700 years ago and ruled the land up until about World War One, had control. Then the land was conquered by the British. The Turks entered World War One on the side of Germany. The British knew they had to do something to punish Turkey, and also to break up that empire that was going to be a part of the whole effort of Germany in World War One. So the British sent troops against the Turks in the Holy Land.

One of the generals who was leading the British armies was a man named Allenby. Allenby was a Bible-believing Christian. He carried a Bible with him everywhere he went and he knew the significance of Jerusalem. The night before the attack against Jerusalem to drive out the Turks, Allenby prayed that God would allow him to capture the city without doing damage to the holy places.

That day, Allenby sent World War One biplanes over the city of Jerusalem to do a reconnaissance mission. You have to understand that the Turks had at that time never seen an airplane. So there they were, flying around. They looked in the sky and saw these fascinating inventions and did not know what they were, and they were terrified by them.

They dared not fight against a prophet from God, so Allenby captured Jerusalem without firing a single shot.
Then they were told they were going to be opposed by a man named Allenby the next day, which means, in their language, "man sent from God" or "prophet from God." They dared not fight against a prophet from God, so the next morning, when Allenby went to take Jerusalem, he went in and captured it without firing a single shot.

The British government was grateful to Jewish people around the world, particularly to one Jewish chemist who helped them manufacture niter. Niter is an ingredient that was used in nitroglycerin which was sent over from the New World. But they did not have a way of getting it to England. The German U-boats were shooting on the boats, so most of the niter they were trying to import to make nitroglycerin was at the bottom of the ocean. But a man named Weitzman, a Jewish chemist, discovered a way to make it from materials that existed in England. As a result, they were able to continue that supply.

The British at that time said they were going to give the Jewish people a homeland. That is all written down in history. They were gratified that the Jewish people, the bankers, came through and helped finance the war.

The homeland that Britain said it would set aside consisted of all of what is now Israel and all of what was then the nation of Jordan -- the whole thing. That was what Britain promised to give the Jews in 1917. In the beginning, there was some Arab support for this action. There was not a huge Arab population in the land at that time, and there is a reason for that. The land was not able to sustain a large population of people. It just did not have the development it needed to handle those people, and nobody really wanted this land. It was considered to be worthless land.

Mark Twain -- Samuel Clemens -- took a tour of Palestine in 1867. This is how he described that land. We are talking about Israel now. He said: "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

Where was this great Palestinian nation? It did not exist. It was not there. Palestinians were not there. Palestine was a region named by the Romans, but at that time it was under the control of Turkey, and there was no large mass of people there because the land would not support them.

This is the report that the Palestinian Royal Commission, created by the British, made. It quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea in 1913. The Palestinian Royal Commission said:

"The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the Yavnev village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants."

That was 1913.

The French author Voltaire described Palestine as "a hopeless, dreary place." In short, under the Turks the land suffered from neglect and low population. That is a historic fact. The nation became populated by both Jews and Arabs because the land came to prosper when Jews came back and began to reclaim it. If there had never been any archaeological evidence to support the rights of the Israelis to the territory, it is also important to recognize that other nations in the area have no longstanding claim to the country either.

Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941. The borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks.

Historically, Israel gained its independence in 1948.

3) AGRICULTURE

The third reason that land belongs to Israel is the practical value of the Israelis being there. Israel today is a modern marvel of agriculture. Israel is able to bring more food out of a desert environment than any other country in the world. The Arab nations ought to make Israel their friend and import technology from Israel that would allow all the Middle East, not just Israel, to become an exporter of food. Israel has unarguable success in its agriculture.

4) HUMANITARIAN

The fourth reason I believe Israel has the right to the land is on the grounds of humanitarian concern. You see, there were 6 million Jews slaughtered in Europe during World War Two. The persecution against the Jews had been very strong in Russia since the advent of communism, and before then under the Czars.

These people have a right to their homeland. If we are not going to allow them a homeland in the Middle East, then where? What other nation on Earth is going to cede territory, is going to give up land?

They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel would fit into my home state of Oklahoma seven times. They are not asking for a great deal. The whole nation of Israel is very small. It is a nation that, up until the time that claims started coming in, was not desired by anybody.

5) STRATEGIC ALLY

The fifth reason Israel ought to have their land is that she is a strategic ally of the United States. Whether we realize it or not, Israel is an impediment to certain groups hostile to democracies and hostile to what we believe in, hostile to that which makes us the greatest nation in the history of the world. They have kept them from taking complete control of the Middle East. If it were not for Israel, they would overrun the region.

Israel votes with America in the United Nations more than England, Canada, France, Germany -- more than any other country in the world.
They are our strategic ally. It is good to know we have a friend in the Middle East on whom we can count. They vote with us in the United Nations more than England, more than Canada, more than France, more than Germany -- more than any other country in the world.

6) ROADBLOCK TO TERRORISM

The sixth reason is that Israel is a roadblock to terrorism. The war we are now facing is not against a sovereign nation; it is against a group of terrorists who are very fluid, moving from one country to another. They are almost invisible. That is whom we are fighting against today. We need every ally we can get. If we do not stop terrorism in the Middle East, it will be on our shores.

One of the reasons I believe the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States is that the policy of our government has been to ask the Israelis, and demand it with pressure, not to retaliate in a significant way against the terrorist strikes that have been launched against them.

Since its independence in 1948, Israel has fought four wars: The 1948 War of Independence, the 1956 Sinai campaign, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In all four cases, Israel was attacked. They were not the aggressor. Some people may argue that this was not true because they went in first in 1956, but they knew at that time that Egypt was building a huge military to become the aggressor. Israel, in fact, was not the aggressor and has not been the aggressor in any of the four wars.

Also, they won all four wars against impossible odds. They are great warriors. They consider a level playing field being outnumbered 2-to-1.

There were 39 Scud missiles that landed on Israeli soil during the Gulf War. Our president asked Israel not to respond. In order to have the Arab nations on board, we asked Israel not to participate in the war. They showed tremendous restraint and did not. Now we have asked them to stand back and not do anything over these last several attacks. We have criticized them. We have criticized them in our media. Local people in television and radio often criticize Israel, not knowing the true facts. We need to be informed.

I was so thrilled when I heard a reporter pose a question to Secretary of State Colin Powell. He said: "Mr. Powell, the United States has advocated a policy of restraint in the Middle East. We have discouraged Israel from retaliation again and again and again because we've said that it escalates the violence. Are we going to follow that ourselves?"

Mr. Powell indicated we would strike back. In other words, we can tell Israel not to do it, but when it hits us, we are going to do something.

But all that changed in December when the Israelis went into Gaza with gunships and into the West Bank with F-16s. With the exception of last May, the Israelis had not used F-16s since the Six Day War. And I am so proud of them because we have to stop terrorism. It is not going to go away. If Israel were driven into the sea tomorrow, if every Jew in the Middle East were killed, terrorism would not end. You know that in your heart. Terrorism would continue. It is not just a matter of Israel in the Middle East. It is the heart of the very people who are perpetrating this stuff. Should they be successful in overrunning Israel -- which they won't be -- but should they be, it would not be enough. They will never be satisfied.

7) BIBLICAL RIGHT

I believe very strongly that we ought to support Israel, and that it has a right to the land, because God said so. In Genesis 13:14-17, the Bible says: "The Lord said to Abram, "Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, southward, eastward and westward: for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever... Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to thee."

That is God talking. The Bible says that Abram removed his tent and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar before the Lord. Hebron is in the West Bank. It is at this place where God appeared to Abram and said, "I am giving you this land" -- the West Bank. This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the word of God is true.

CONCLUSION

The seven reasons, I am convinced, clearly establish that Israel has a right to the land. Eight years ago on the White House lawn, Yitzhak Rabin shook hands with PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat. It was a historic occasion. It was a tragic occasion. At that time, the official policy of the government of Israel began to be, "Let us appease the terrorists. Let us begin to trade the land for peace." This process continued unabated up until last year.

Israel's Right to the Land (aish.com)
 
Clowns are clowns...

What a load of **** you have just posted, as if people have a claim to there homelands because 1000 years ago there distant distant relatives live there.

If this was true the whole modern world should be uprooted, what foolishness.

Just look at the skin colour of the average Israeli and the average Palestinian. This will tell you who is native and who is descended from Eastern European Jewry.

As I suspected you are a Zionist, remember the history of your people, your persecutions.

History often repeats itself.
 
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