The anti Israel = anti semitism agenda

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Rroff said:
Depends - if the building is being used in some way to orchestrate attacks that can be defensive.
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But they told everyone to leave an hour? or so before because they were going to blow it up.

If they hadnt done that you may have a point but we both know it was retaliation. Lets call it that rather than defense.
 
Tony Edwards said:
But they told everyone to leave an hour? or so before because they were going to blow it up.

If they hadnt done that you may have a point but we both know it was retaliation. Lets call it that rather than defense.
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It may or may not be retaliation - a lot of these strikes like the latest ones against the financial offices are more of that nature but if the building has strategic value, houses equipment or intel, etc. etc. it can be disruptive against organising attacks - it will take time and effort to get set back up again.

Same with some of the strikes against infrastructure (i.e. road junctions) - there is a retaliatory side to it but also makes it harder for moving around heavier equipment used for launching the bigger rockets, etc.
 
Tony Edwards said:
They arent defending themself by blowing up a building they have told everyone to leave. The dome thing is defense, attacking launch sites before or during a rocket launch is defenses. What they do most of the time is not defense.

They already had the press on side. Really? Im sure that will help them.
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So what does launching mass rocket attacks and provoking a response from the IDF going to achieve other than death?
So once Hamas launch mass rockets that could land anywhere from re usable launch vehicles they should just be allowed to sit unmolested to re arm and try again, because they are out of the window of defense

Some top notch thinking there!
 
alchal said:
So what does launching mass rocket attacks and provoking a response from the IDF going to achieve other than death?
So once Hamas launch mass rockets that could land anywhere from re usable launch vehicles they should just be allowed to sit unmolested to re arm and try again, because they are out of the window of defense

Some top notch thinking there!
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Have I defended the Hamas rocket attacks? Have I attacked Isreal attacking the launch sites if the launchers are still there? No I havent have I.
 
Sounds like there will be a bunch of buildings coming down later tonight/early tomorrow morning going by current reports. They are holding off the heavy strikes at the moment but sending alerts/"roof knocks".
 
alchal said:
So what does launching mass rocket attacks and provoking a response from the IDF going to achieve other than death?
So once Hamas launch mass rockets that could land anywhere from re usable launch vehicles they should just be allowed to sit unmolested to re arm and try again, because they are out of the window of defense

Some top notch thinking there!
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Hamas want a response and want to have their own people injured and killed like pawns in their game as it allows them to plead victim on the world stage.
 
Tony Edwards said:
Have I defended the Hamas rocket attacks? Have I attacked Isreal attacking the launch sites if the launchers are still there? No I havent have I.
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Your words in regards to the IDF 'The dome thing is defense, attacking launch sites before or during a rocket launch is defenses. What they do most of the time is not defense '

So did you miss out the after launch they are legitimate targets part?

Yes they did, Sheffield online etc started up a protest demo and shared it etc, the mainstream media were focusing on the deaths of the Palestinians.
 
The Running Man said:
Hamas want a response and want to have their own people injured and killed like pawns in their game as it allows them to plead victim on the world stage.
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Yup, shame most can't see this, Islam is all about martyrdom for the greater cause aka by those in power to gain more.
Religion is such a fantastic tool for mobilization.
 
alchal said:
Yup, shame most can't see this, Islam is all about martyrdom for the greater cause aka by those in power to gain more.
Religion is such a fantastic tool for mobilization.
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With the greatest respect you are wrong but entitled to your opinion. Islam is not about martyrdom. If that is your thinking after consulting sheikh Google or whatever material you have studied then that is a shame.
 
IPBA said:
With the greatest respect you are wrong but entitled to your opinion. Islam is not about martyrdom. If that is your thinking after consulting sheikh Google or whatever material you have studied then that is a shame.
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Absolutely, there has been no sign of mass suicide attackers in the name of Islam.
 
alchal said:
It's vile alright no excuse for it and whilst we are playing point the finger.

Islamic countries love
Forced arranged marriages, honour killings, treating woman as second class citizens, suicide bombings, beheadings, child sex gangs, list goes on and on.
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What Israel is doing is against international law, that's why people are siding with Palestine.

Judaism has arranged marriages, Orthodox Judaism in particular treats women like second class citizens etc etc but that has nothing to do with this.
 
Janesy B said:
What Israel is doing is against international law, that's why people are siding with Palestine.

Judaism has arranged marriages, Orthodox Judaism in particular treats women like second class citizens etc etc but that has nothing to do with this.
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Doesn't international law cover firing rockets at civilians?
 
alchal said:
Yup, shame most can't see this, Islam is all about martyrdom for the greater cause aka by those in power to gain more.
Religion is such a fantastic tool for mobilization.
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Whilst I agree with your last point, with regards to the rest of your post, remember the Tamil Tigers? Pretty sure they weren't Muslims...
 
Funny people are thinking of it as a religious conflict, whilst the opposing sides are of a different faith the whole problem is the Zionist state stealing lands and destroying homes of Palestinians.

Doesn't matter if Islam is this or Judaism is that what matters is the actions of the Israeli government.
 
Violence is not the answer, if this descends any further in to wider conflict it’s not a winnable war for either side. Once all is said and done, both sides will still have to live next to one another the following day.
 
Raz said:
Whilst I agree with your last point, with regards to the rest of your post, remember the Tamil Tigers? Pretty sure they weren't Muslims...
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Indeed, but honestly trying to use one group, how many mass killings , suicide bombings etc are committed under the name of Islam, I mean Isis alone ....yeah your argument is weak.

IPBA said:
With the greatest respect you are wrong but entitled to your opinion. Islam is not about martyrdom. If that is your thinking after consulting sheikh Google or whatever material you have studied then that is a shame.
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Ah yeah , all those suicide bombings including parents being proud of their children blowing themselves and others up is obviously a western conspiracy then eh
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B&W said:
Funny people are thinking of it as a religious conflict, whilst the opposing sides are of a different faith the whole problem is the Zionist state stealing lands and destroying homes of Palestinians.

Doesn't matter if Islam is this or Judaism is that what matters is the actions of the Israeli government.
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So it's not religion then you mention that Israel is Jewish therefore it is religion lol

Riddle me this, who launched a mass rocket barrage and escalated the violence x1000 again?
 
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