The anti Israel = anti semitism agenda

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Hamas' stated aim is the destruction of israel as a state. They are not fighting aggressors, they are the aggressors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

I'm no apologist for Hamas but they definitely are fighting aggressors. Guess who won't acknowledge a Palestinian State or respect it's borders or it's buildings, it's infrastructure or the lives of it's people or their property rights.
 
Honestly I dont know why at this point Israel dont just go full Putin and Annex the gaza strip and forcibly relocate the population elsewhere.

Not like anyone could do anything about it if they did.
 
So you are saying that Isis Al Qaida boko horam the Taliban are all freedom fighters and the west are evil.

You my friend are nuts, pure and simple.

haha yea nothing says "freedom" like enslaving half the local population and forcing them to dress in bin bags xD

Reminds me of this video.... "they've cared not at all to inform themselves"

 
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https://twitter.com/sa0un/status/1393204520323325956?s=20

Some context on that image:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/blog/2006/jul/20/missilespostin
 

LOL oops, I think they've made a rather silly PR mistake targeting a building hosting journalists!

Lots of the rest of this stuff is fairly standard, even the kids being killed sadly - I mean it's not something the UK would necessarily knowingly do (the RAF tends to be rather keen to avoid civilian casualties) but the US certainly have targeted terrorists in the past knowing there are civilians (family members of the terrorist) present and if it is a high-value target then sometimes they'll accept the "collateral damage" so to speak, ergo the clip of the Palestinian paramedic crying and the reports of some kids being killed, though tragic, is not exactly uncommon in an armed conflict. Main difference perhaps is that you don't get loads of footage uploaded onto social media after incidents in say Northern Pakistan or Yemen etc... that sort of event will blow over though and become one of the many clips activists can point to etc..

Targeting the building with journalists in though - that could cause some rather negative effects for Israel in terms of future coverage, lots of new organisations reliant on AP and lots of other journalists perhaps not too happy about colleagues being given short notice to get out of a building and perhaps almost being killed etc...

I didn't really pay much attention to social media etc.. in previous Israeli/Palestinian spats so I'm not sure how much things have changed but I do wonder if the US used to have as much vocal pro-Palestinian support in previous hostilities? Presumably, it wasn't so prominent in the years following "9/11" etc..?

Now, especially after the mass virtue signaling last summer and the rise of "wokeness", there seem to be infographic posts on Instagram going on about "genocide", "settler colonialism" etc... Historically both major US political parties have been pro-zionist, Trump and Biden certainly both are, though some rank and file Democrats are rather pro-Palestinian and some MAGA types aren't exactly fond of jews!

Also, the various large media organisations, though they have rather a lot of Jewish people in senior management/executive positions, have seemingly fully embraced wokeness, especially after last summer - it would be interesting to see how they're trying to balance that. The woke viewpoint is typically simplistic and binary, the Palestinians are the oppressed and Israel as the oppressors ergo be hypercritical of Israel and justify almost anything the Palestinian side does (even launching crude, unguided rockets into civilian areas).

We did briefly see, last summer, "jewish privilege" trending on twitter, I've not yet seen any "Jewish silence is Jewish violence" slogans yet but it would seem to be an internally consistent/logical step for the woke.

I wonder, if wokeness carries on becoming popular, if this will force a change in US foreign policy, will the US become more critical of Israel? Or is the zionist lobby too powerful? Is wokeness just something Biden can pander to/use for a bit of virtue signalling when convenient (maybe throw some women athletes under the bus, allow for a bit of "positive discrimination") but when it comes to substantial policy change then perhaps it becomes a case of "woah there, let's not get too carried away now".
 
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139 people killed in Gaza.
9 people killed in Israel.

That just isn't right.

What do those stats have to do with whether some actions are right or wrong here?

Supposing Israel's Iron dome was a bit less effective and Hamas rockets were slightly more effective leading to say 100 more dead Israelis would the exact same actions then be right simply because the result has differed? If so then why?
 
I take it you didn't actually bother to read the article. Because it's not about suicide bombers, of which there's only been 2 in the last 13 years.

So what about the rest of the article? It mentions them, and there is documented evidence of it all over.

So what about the rest of the article? What's the excuse for all that then?
 
The West has perpetrated the vast majority of 'terrorism' in the last century if we go by the literal definition. The past decade or two has warped and brainwashed us into thinking that terrorists = baddies when it reality, a lot of the time, we'd call them freedom fighters if our worldviews were different.

You have to be fighting for freedom to be a freedom fighter. Islamic terrorists are basically fighting to spread Islam throughout the world which is why Christian's in those countries are often killed.

The Nazis would've said the French resistance were terrorists... it's all a matter of perspective.

They would with their propaganda but any neutral with half a brain cell could see that France were fighting for the cause of freedom, whereas the Nazi's wanted to spread their totalitarian collectivism. There's more to freedom than just protecting the status quo.
 
So what about the rest of the article? It mentions them, and there is documented evidence of it all over.

So what about the rest of the article? What's the excuse for all that then?

Lad you made the accusation about suicide bombing and quoted an article as proof of it. You clearly didn't bother to read the article before posting it. Yet there's no suicide bombing in the article. You clearly don't care about any form of intellectual honesty

No the things Hamas did in the article are not ethical, but given you don't read the articles you post, it's not really worthy of debate.

You're playing whataboutism games without even bothering to read what you post
 
LOL oops, I think they've made a rather silly PR mistake targeting a building hosting journalists!

Lots of the rest of this stuff is fairly standard, even the kids being killed sadly - I mean it's not something the UK would necessarily knowingly do (the RAF tends to be rather keen to avoid civilian casualties) but the US certainly have targeted terrorists in the past knowing there are civilians (family members of the terrorist) present and if it is a high-value target then sometimes they'll accept the "collateral damage" so to speak, ergo the clip of the Palestinian paramedic crying and the reports of some kids being killed, though tragic, is not exactly uncommon in an armed conflict. Main difference perhaps is that you don't get loads of footage uploaded onto social media after incidents in say Northern Pakistan or Yemen etc... that sort of event will blow over though and become one of the many clips activists can point to etc..

Targeting the building with journalists in though - that could cause some rather negative effects for Israel in terms of future coverage, lots of new organisations reliant on AP and lots of other journalists perhaps not too happy about colleagues being given short notice to get out of a building and perhaps almost being killed etc...

I didn't really pay much attention to social media etc.. in previous Israeli/Palestinian spats so I'm not sure how much things have changed but I do wonder if the US used to have as much vocal pro-Palestinian support in previous hostilities? Presumably, it wasn't so prominent in the years following "9/11" etc..?

Now, especially after the mass virtue signaling last summer and the rise of "wokeness", there seem to be infographic posts on Instagram going on about "genocide", "settler colonialism" etc... Historically both major US political parties have been pro-zionist, Trump and Biden certainly both are, though some rank and file Democrats are rather pro-Palestinian and some MAGA types aren't exactly fond of jews!

Also, the various large media organisations, though they have rather a lot of Jewish people in senior management/executive positions, have seemingly fully embraced wokeness, especially after last summer - it would be interesting to see how they're trying to balance that. The woke viewpoint is typically simplistic and binary, the Palestinians are the oppressed and Israel as the oppressors ergo be hypercritical of Israel and justify almost anything the Palestinian side does (even launching crude, unguided rockets into civilian areas).

We did briefly see, last summer, "jewish privilege" trending on twitter, I've not yet seen any "Jewish silence is Jewish violence" slogans yet but it would seem to be an internally consistent/logical step for the woke.

I wonder, if wokeness carries on becoming popular, if this will force a change in US foreign policy, will the US become more critical of Israel? Or is the zionist lobby too powerful? Is wokeness just something Biden can pander to/use for a bit of virtue signalling when convenient (maybe throw some women athletes under the bus, allow for a bit of "positive discrimination") but when it comes to substantial policy change then perhaps it becomes a case of "woah there, let's not get too carried away now".

I'm wondering if the strike where the journalists were was to get people talking about something else than the refugee camp strike - now up to 8 kids I believe dead. They went on a flurry of strikes after as if to try and bury the news after realising it was a bit of a screw up.
 
Lad you made the accusation about suicide bombing and quoted an article as proof of it. You clearly didn't bother to read the article before posting it. Yet there's no suicide bombing in the article. You clearly don't care about any form of intellectual honesty

No the things Hamas did in the article are not ethical, but given you don't read the articles you post, it's not really worthy of debate.

You're playing whataboutism games without even bothering to read what you post

You didn't even read my post, it's even shorter than the article and by a great margin!!

Regarding the picture.

My quote in its entirety
Could be worse the Israeli gov could be wrapping bombs around them ala Hamas interesting article on the issue, but I'm sure it's all lies.
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Quote from the article.
The Palestinian assault, however, is not limited to Israeli children. Palestinian children, too, are exploited as weapons of war: Pictures abound of Palestinian babies dressed as suicide bombers and brandishing arms.

So..lad...come again? Whataboutism eh?
 
babies brandishing arms? wut? is this some social media meme thing and they took it as real? is that how israel justifies killing babies these days.

They will be terrorists one day anyway we have to kill them as they're born?
 
babies brandishing arms? wut? is this some social media meme thing and they took it as real? is that how israel justifies killing babies these days.

They will be terrorists one day anyway we have to kill them as they're born?


You for real? You think acceptable to dress kids up and use them and celebrate thier resultant deaths? Google children suicide bombings.

It's the UN and there is plenty more evidence, unless it is some western/Israeli plot against Islam etc? All fake?
 
You for real? You think acceptable to dress kids up and use them and celebrate thier resultant deaths? Google children suicide bombings.

It's the UN and there is plenty more evidence, unless it is some western/Israeli plot against Islam etc? All fake?
google the biblical source of truth, give me a moment to consult the tea leaves on twitter.

We all know a lot of fake crap hits the media.. look at syria showing the deaths of people who turned out to not even be dead..... faking gas attacks the lot
 
You didn't even read my post, it's even shorter than the article and by a great margin!!

Regarding the picture.

My quote in its entirety
Could be worse the Israeli gov could be wrapping bombs around them ala Hamas interesting article on the issue, but I'm sure it's all lies.
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Quote from the article.
The Palestinian assault, however, is not limited to Israeli children. Palestinian children, too, are exploited as weapons of war: Pictures abound of Palestinian babies dressed as suicide bombers and brandishing arms.

So..lad...come again? Whataboutism eh?

The lack of self awareness is totally embarassing and fraudulant from you. You talked about suicide bombing and posted an article that was supposed to prove suicide bombing but had nothing to do with it and was about something completely different

You're a fraud on the basis your sources don't back up your claims

The article you posted is worthy of discussion if you can actually list the issue with it
 
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