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Whats with all this Ruth Bashing? Fat Badger? I'm "big boned" and also known as Badger, reading through the last few pages got me very nervous.
Jo went, had to happen, she has been in the board room 4 times now, last night it seemed that she had developed that stupid attitude that she will survive as she has survived the past few weeks. One of the funnyest things was that SAS had to fire her twice.
"Jo, Your FIRED!"
"but ....bit....." as she went and begged for yet another chance, then the axe came down for a second time
"YOUR FIRED!" (end off)
Think Jo is the only person to have been told that twice.
Ansel, was an OK sales person, in the earlier few weeks I would have had him down as a possible finalist, seeing how he seemed to manage the Mani and Sayeed argument whilst wearing a towel, but as a PM / Leader, seems he got sidelined by Ruth. The Critisism that was aimed at Ansel wasn't he sales, it was his leadsership and control, outside people couldn't see who the obvious leader was.
Ruth, she wants to win. She is determined, but like I said a couple of weeks (after the shopping list task), she might have trouble following orders. She has the mentality of "If you want a job doing properly, do it yourself", and she has a passion for winning she just channels it better than Blue smarties Jo ever did.
I would have kept Ruth, and i'm hoping she will be in the series for a while yet. She has the winning mindset, there is an end goal and shes going for it. Anyone who gets in her way just gets steam rolled. She is the kind of person I would give a large budget to, a brief and just let her get on with it. She does not seem to mind what others think of her, problem being, a warning sign next to her bed reading "Caution! Does not play well with others".
The Winning team? Sayeed out right lied! He spent hours trying to massage people into agreeing to buy and saying anything that came into his mind, based on no fascts atall, just what he thought they would want to hear. Even the bloke who ran the car dealership wasn't happy with him, I think he even said that he would have sent him on home on the spot if he could. Its just a damn shame they won.
The entire argument in on the Themes cruise seems to have been caused by Sayeed stiring ****. When you listened to Paul and Michelle argue, it seemed that Sayeed had told Michelle something that Paul was meant to have said about Sarah. Paul during the board meeting had shown more support to Sarah than anyone else on the team, but Sayeed and his chinese wispers had landed him in it.
Sayeed, I pity the fooool!
My top 4 would be Ansel (but he seems to willing to take a back seat), Michelle (just becouse shes a hottie, and hasn't really annoyed me that much), Paul (seems like a genuine nice bloke, but might not have the killer instincts), and Ruth. (Driven and direct - for the win).
Jo went, had to happen, she has been in the board room 4 times now, last night it seemed that she had developed that stupid attitude that she will survive as she has survived the past few weeks. One of the funnyest things was that SAS had to fire her twice.
"Jo, Your FIRED!"
"but ....bit....." as she went and begged for yet another chance, then the axe came down for a second time
"YOUR FIRED!" (end off)
Think Jo is the only person to have been told that twice.
Ansel, was an OK sales person, in the earlier few weeks I would have had him down as a possible finalist, seeing how he seemed to manage the Mani and Sayeed argument whilst wearing a towel, but as a PM / Leader, seems he got sidelined by Ruth. The Critisism that was aimed at Ansel wasn't he sales, it was his leadsership and control, outside people couldn't see who the obvious leader was.
Ruth, she wants to win. She is determined, but like I said a couple of weeks (after the shopping list task), she might have trouble following orders. She has the mentality of "If you want a job doing properly, do it yourself", and she has a passion for winning she just channels it better than Blue smarties Jo ever did.
I would have kept Ruth, and i'm hoping she will be in the series for a while yet. She has the winning mindset, there is an end goal and shes going for it. Anyone who gets in her way just gets steam rolled. She is the kind of person I would give a large budget to, a brief and just let her get on with it. She does not seem to mind what others think of her, problem being, a warning sign next to her bed reading "Caution! Does not play well with others".
The Winning team? Sayeed out right lied! He spent hours trying to massage people into agreeing to buy and saying anything that came into his mind, based on no fascts atall, just what he thought they would want to hear. Even the bloke who ran the car dealership wasn't happy with him, I think he even said that he would have sent him on home on the spot if he could. Its just a damn shame they won.
The entire argument in on the Themes cruise seems to have been caused by Sayeed stiring ****. When you listened to Paul and Michelle argue, it seemed that Sayeed had told Michelle something that Paul was meant to have said about Sarah. Paul during the board meeting had shown more support to Sarah than anyone else on the team, but Sayeed and his chinese wispers had landed him in it.
Sayeed, I pity the fooool!
My top 4 would be Ansel (but he seems to willing to take a back seat), Michelle (just becouse shes a hottie, and hasn't really annoyed me that much), Paul (seems like a genuine nice bloke, but might not have the killer instincts), and Ruth. (Driven and direct - for the win).
I agree with almost all of that analysis.callmeBadger said:
I'm not quite with you on Ruth, though. She's single-minded, for sure, and in a small business would probably do very well. But she seems to have a level of arrogance that only one person in an organisation like Sugar's can have, and that person isn't Ruth. Yes, you need to be driven, and to be able to take a project, run with it and produce results, but that often means being able to work with people and motivate them. I'm not sure she can. I don't think she's enough of a team player for Sugar, if he's looking for what I think he is looking for. Most of the others are too much of team players, and don't have the drive.
Probably, it's that Ruth reminds me of myself in many ways. The difference is, I own my own companies and don't work for someone else. I expect staff to get results, but she's just a bit too cold, too distant, about how she goes about it. I couldn't work for Sugar. I'd last about half an hour before I told him where to shove it. I respect the bloke, but I wouldn't and couldn't work for him. I'm not sure Ruth can, either.
As for Sayeed, he doesn't seem to have anything beyond a line of bullpoop, an ego the size of Saturn and a devious, back-stabbing nature. Maybe he's entertaining, but if I was in Sugar's shoes, Sayeed would be out so fast it'd make his head spin. I detest such deviousness and underhandedness as he seems to be using.
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to badger:
shouldn't your sig be Veni, Vidi, volo in domum redire
my latin is a bit rusty, but that makes sense - i came i saw i want to go back
but u current one is something to do with selling (cant remmeber how to conjugate vendo
), i saw, i want to go back
ps this bunch on apprentice UK actually arent very good, i recon only paul is ok. TBH after Bill from apprentice US season1, the rest have been pretty substandard.
to badger:
shouldn't your sig be Veni, Vidi, volo in domum redire
my latin is a bit rusty, but that makes sense - i came i saw i want to go back
but u current one is something to do with selling (cant remmeber how to conjugate vendo
), i saw, i want to go backps this bunch on apprentice UK actually arent very good, i recon only paul is ok. TBH after Bill from apprentice US season1, the rest have been pretty substandard.
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spirit said:shouldn't your sig be Veni, Vidi, volo in domum redire
my latin is a bit rusty, but that makes sense - i came i saw i want to go back
but u current one is something to do with selling (cant remmeber how to conjugate vendo
Depends what ytou believe in the 'tinternet translation programs, was aiming for "I Came, I Saw, I want to go Home."
Now I checked a few more sites, i think it should read Volo praecessi Domus, ah heck.
Anyway, I now have a job for this afternoon.
About the whole Ruth thing. She is Driven and Direct, I personally think she is closer to the direct approach SAS is like, SAS has a large area and can't give his full attention to everything, but I'm still on the idea of Apprentice, the winner would be learning from him, probably getting my ideas mixed up with the whole Sith Lord bit.
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I thought Ansell was going to well up when SAS said that, according to the boss of the car lot, he was the worst salesman there. I would love to know what he was thinking.
I like Syed and Paul. I think Syed's attitude is right, although he really should pull his finger out. Also Paul has done well in most tasks and never gets sucked into the conflict between team members.
I hate Ruth. Not just because she is an evil eyed **** but I just hate her attitude. She thinks the sun shines out of her arse and she reminds me of a typical supermarket manager type.
I like Syed and Paul. I think Syed's attitude is right, although he really should pull his finger out. Also Paul has done well in most tasks and never gets sucked into the conflict between team members.
I hate Ruth. Not just because she is an evil eyed **** but I just hate her attitude. She thinks the sun shines out of her arse and she reminds me of a typical supermarket manager type.
His attitude is right?F355 said:
He's an arrogant little ****, and a liar too. He's full of claims (and something else), but we see no sign of justification for the claims. He does whatever he wants, regardless of team leaders assignments, and he dodges things he thinks are beneath him. He tells car customers flat-out cobblers in order to try to sell, with no thought to what the legal liability might be, and the plonker does it in front of TV cameras. Then, in the boardroom, he lies again to try to present it in the best light possible.
Frankly, of the entire group, past and present, I think he has the worst attitude of anybody. My assessment, and it is just opinion, is that he's a lying, conniving bullpoop artist.
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Sequoia said:
You have to have some arrogance in the business world.
He did make a mistake telling the customers a blatent lie but he did admit to it in the end.
I really didn't like him on the first week but he is really growing on me.
Well, you certainly need confidence, but if you're arrogant, it's generally a good bet to have something to be arrogant about. I haven't seen any signs of him showing any justification for arrogance. Sugar can be arrogant, if he wants. So can Branson (though he isn't). And so on. You certainly don't get to that level of business success without having a backbone, a vision and an element of hard streak.F355 said:
That's not how I saw it. He edged all round it, as I remember it, and tried everything he could to deny what he'd said.F355 said:
And what about the incident on the boat? He's passing rumours and lies about behind people's backs, and got caught doing it by Paul. I wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw Sir Alan's headquarters building.
I've been watching this series for only 3 weeks so can't express anything about the long term performance.
Quality was Sir alan and Jo's "Did you sell any cars, yes or no?" " but .. but ... but" . Brilliant!
On ansel being badmouthed by the car salesman - why didn't he just point out that he has strengths far above mr car salesman of the year, maybe in something concide and elequent like "for ***ks sake alan, the guy sells car for a living!" (no offense meant to car selers, and those whose family tradition is a large family car lot)
and i'm sorry but Ruth ... lks like shes chewing a wasp ALL THE TIME
Quality was Sir alan and Jo's "Did you sell any cars, yes or no?" " but .. but ... but" . Brilliant!
On ansel being badmouthed by the car salesman - why didn't he just point out that he has strengths far above mr car salesman of the year, maybe in something concide and elequent like "for ***ks sake alan, the guy sells car for a living!" (no offense meant to car selers, and those whose family tradition is a large family car lot)
and i'm sorry but Ruth ... lks like shes chewing a wasp ALL THE TIME
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It was a good line, I grant you, but I actually disagreed fundamentally with SAS over that.bradbcam said:
The point wasn't whether any individual sold cars or not, but whether the TEAM did well, and if it didn't, whether each team member contributed to the project, and what that contribution was. It may be, for instance, that one team member is good at pulling in a customer, breaking the ice, getting the thing going, but another then takes over, nails down the details and gets the signature. For the team's purposes, it doesn't matter who does what as long as it produces results. Of course, it didn't. Then, look at the contributions, but that's more than just who sold what.
If you're a car saleman, it presumably would be the person that got the paperwork signed up that got the commission, but this wasn't supposed to be about competition between team members to sign up people, but about beating the other team.
I actually commented to the wife, last night, that this task would have been better if it had been without teams, where each individual stands or falls on their own. It then may have shown who was or was not a salesman, and perhaps who was capable of learning and adapting fastest. But when it's about team performance, who actually signed up what isn't really relevant. Good TV maybe, but unfair.
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norm said:
How different Ansell looks without his pseudo-trendy glasses. : )
His qualifications are also stated as being "Left school at 16 to join Millwall FC" ... ??
He looks like Carl Cox with the glasses on lol
Have only watched a couple of episodes, so apologies for not knowing anyone's names.
The better looking one out of the blondes seems quite good (not the one who cried).
The larger lady with dark hair, I would not buy a car off someone who spoke at[/] me rather than with me.
She needs to sort out her hair and presentation of herself as well imo.
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F355 said:
Thereis a big difference between being confident and being arrogant.
Sayeed is not just a bad business person, he lies and shirks responsibility. It would be dangerous just working near the guy, becouse when he did something wrong, you thing he does is find someone to dump the blame on.
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You mean he got caught, and then still tried to talk his way out of it. He aint a team player and things he's better than the situation he in. IN the Pizza task, Alexa asked him to drum up some custom by shouting prices and he refused, used some line like the product will sell itself, also if she would call and demonstrate what she meant by yelling price, he would learn from her. When Sarah asked him to go talk to some customers that were walking away, he refused to go, saying that they will come back, the product will sell itself again, just seems like he thinks he is above all this, or, my risky bit, maybe he just can't take direction from women? Both Alexa and Sarah he seemed to make massive mistakes with and then stabed them in the back.
(thinking about it, he can't take direction from anyone).
Sayeed is a liability more than anything else.
Also, whilst I'm ranting, whats wrong with Wasp chewers? Half the comments about Ruth seem to be aimed at looks and appearence, if that is all people are interested in, hasn't UKLiving got some super Model contest running? thats a program that is all about looks, Ruth / Paul / Ansel are not on that show so whats the relevence?
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qwerty said:
think it was the last in series last week tho
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callmeBadger said:
I actualy find Ruth quite atractive. She makes my special place feel warm, but hey ho, horses for courses.
And they lost because the project manager didn't pay attention to the fact that the car supermarket makes commison on the stupid extras.