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So Jack is injured again? Can't say I've seen mention of that but doesn't surprise me.

At some point we need to look at his contract and start paying him by play time, same with Theo and Ox.
 
Yas786 said:
Pffft even finishing 6th won't mean Wenger will be sacked, we could end up being relegated but he still wouldn't be sacked.

As of now this is Wenger's last season, he hasn't signed a contract extension and not sure if he will. Maybe this will be his last season, maybe he's decided he's had enough and hopefully will step aside for someone else with new ideas.

No chance this season we will be in the running for the title unless Wenger goes out and buys an amazing striker but at this moment, I can't think of any that are for sale and if they were...they would be stupidly expensive.
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He won't buy a striker let's be honest. He always waits too long as all the decent players get signed before deadline day funnI'll enough.
It's just depressing as we only need a few additions to be challenging for the title but they never materialise
 
jonneymendoza said:
Wenger has one last year so i hope when we finish 4th again he will not sign and leave.

I brought tickets to see arsenal take on liverpool for the opening game of the season. Dont know why i bother as i am still ****ed about last season.
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But we finished 2nd in the league ;)

I wonder what Man U, Chelsea and Man City must feel like who all outspend us :eek::D

I don't think we will finish 1st this season, as we have so far not purchased the players we need to do so. We would need a top top striker to come in bring belief both to the squad and the fans. As it is, top 4 finish again for us.

Where is DM at btw? :p
 
Wengers replacement scares me tbh. A big part of the problem is Kroenke and Gazidis. I am really worried that the new manager will just be a yes man. Eddie Howe has been mooted as a possible replacement. That screams a yes man. Would just love to get such a big job even if it means pandering to the boards wishes.
 
robfosters said:
Wengers replacement scares me tbh. A big part of the problem is Kroenke and Gazidis. I am really worried that the new manager will just be a yes man. Eddie Howe has been mooted as a possible replacement. That screams a yes man. Would just love to get such a big job even if it means pandering to the boards wishes.
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Wenger isn't a yes man, he's run the club his way since before either of those two were part of Arsenal.

People like to act as if Wenger is being held back by guys unwilling to spend. Wenger is unwilling to spend on transfers, our spending on wages has gone up significant and has always been high(for the given year) under Wenger.

There are no signs from the higher ups of the clubs of having or wanting a yes man, just fans making some weird excuse for Wenger. Kroenke tells Gazidis what the club can spend, how much he wants to take out of the club, what he wants achieved, Wenger tells Gazidis which players to go and buy, sell or which contracts to renew, his job is not to set policy.

Kroenke could take 10's of millions out of the club every year, he's never done so, has never suggested he might do so and there is no basis to believe he suddenly will do in the future. The money Arsenal make is spent on wages or goes into the cash account, that is the long and short of it, their finances are open book and easily seen where the money goes.

The club don't have a yes man and aren't looking for a yes man replacement. The trouble we have today is that Gazidis and Kroenke are yes men to Wenger's policy, and if the wrong manager comes in and does stupid things and these two still completely trust the manager then there is significant danger of the wrong manager causing a disaster by having too much control.
 
Aren't Arsenal 4th on the wage bill though? Why do you say it's high when it's the norm for clubs in the Champions league?

Also, you're very naive if you think Kroenke doesn't take money out the club, you just have to look at the other sports clubs that he owns and see what the fans say about him.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/rams-owner-stan-kroenke-ranch-st-louis-los-angeles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...oenke-besides-the-most-hated-man-in-st-louis/
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...y-arsenal-stake-to-win-trophies-a3202046.html

So DM, can we stop peddling these lies about Kroenke, supporting him when you should vent some of your frustrations at him, instead of blaming Wenger for absolutely everything. It gets very tiresome reading how wrong you are..
 
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Trusty said:
Aren't Arsenal 4th on the wage bill though? Why do you say it's high when it's the norm for clubs in the Champions league?

Also, you're very naive if you think Kroenke doesn't take money out the club, you just have to look at the other sports clubs that he owns and see what the fans say about him.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/rams-owner-stan-kroenke-ranch-st-louis-los-angeles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...oenke-besides-the-most-hated-man-in-st-louis/
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...y-arsenal-stake-to-win-trophies-a3202046.html

So DM, can we stop peddling these lies about Kroenke, supporting him when you should vent some of your frustrations at him, instead of blaming Wenger for absolutely everything. It gets very tiresome reading how wrong you are..
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Taking money out of other clubs isn't proof he's taking money out of Arsenal. The open books of the premier league teams mean they publish their financial records, which accounts for all the money.

You are lying about Kroenke because you can't read a freely available yearly accounting book of Arsenal, which is why you've been wrong for the past decade on stadium debt, money Arsenal have had, wage bill, etc.

Which one of your links say Kroenke takes money out of Arsenal, which says he's the reason behind Arsenal not spending, which points out that you can freely ready about every penny Arsenal spend and see where it went if you can be bothered and which one points out that Wenger spent and acted the same way before Kroenke was involved in the club at all? None of them you say wow.

Let me post a bunch of links that also have absolutely nothing to do with Kroenke taking money out of Arsenal to prove my point.... oh wait, I'll just direct you to the Arsenal financial records which prove what I'm saying is true.

Your last link doesn't even say what you think it does. Some rich owners buy football clubs to throw billions in and buy a league, Roman for instance, or any middle east group. He says he didn't buy Arsenal to win cups. He bought Arsenal to be part of Arsenal, but not to dump billions of cash into them. You're using it as proof that he's taking money out despite no where being quoted or anything in the article suggesting he is using them as a cash cow. It's just him saying that one, he won't be a bottomless pit of money for Arsenal fans and two, won't shut up shop and run away if they don't win the title in 2-3 years or run them irresponsibly so the club may deteriorate. Other owners have put up lots of money, not succeeded and destroyed the team. Couple Russian teams tried to buy the CL, failed, and then took all their financial support away destroying the club. Monaco guy tried to buy them into CL success, then he got into a divorce battle where he was going to lose half his fortune and Monaco sold every highly paid player they could and brought in a bunch of cheaper/younger replacements to drastically cut down the wage bill.

Kroenke was merely saying he doesn't plan to do any of these things, nothing more or less. You're painting it as, he doesn't intend to put billions in thus he's going to take all cash out he can.

You also may want to read the other links because neither says he took money out of his other teams, they say he's hated because he moved the team from St Louis, does that mean I think there is a risk of moving Arsenal... hell no. Moving teams happens surprisingly often in American sports, it's stupid, I don't get it, well financial reasons sure but why the rules allow it. But it has no bearing on anything you've stated and exactly nothing at all to do with Arsenal.
 
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Again, showing your complete naivity. Which jounalist is going to write Kroenke is unscrupulously taking money out of his sports clubs. Thats called libel DM. You need to read between the lines as to the type of character he is, instead you write walls of text talking about a completely inane point that will never be published anyway, such diversionary tactics to fool the reader. Why dont you address his personality with regards to those articles i posted?
So LA Rams fans are all idiots as well, or do you think there might be a connection? You just blame Wenger for everything

And why do you say i get the accounts wrong, i know they arent paid, i've known that since ive been posting on these forums, i dont know the exact details, i admit that but i know that the debts arent cleared. I've no idea how that has anything do with what i originally posted though. You dont need to write so much either, you go off in tangents about stuff and it just clouds the specific debate were having.
 
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Clipsey said:
I'm actually quite excited about the proposed partnership of Xhaka and Coquelin, I think those two are going to seriously help out the midfield and defence!
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Same here but I'm more worried about our offence. Sure Walcott, Iwobi and Akpom have scored plenty of goals in pre-season but that counts for jack come the start of the season.

If we do stick with what we have then I truly hope that those 3 can score goals and score plenty. But I'm not holding my breath or anything. Our back line is non existent now with Gabriel and BFG out for some time due to injuries.
 
Trusty said:
Again, showing your complete naivity. Which jounalist is going to write Kroenke is unscrupulously taking money out of his sports clubs. Thats called libel DM. You need to read between the lines as to the type of character he is, instead you write walls of text talking about a completely inane point that will never be published anyway, such diversionary tactics to fool the reader. Why dont you address his personality with regards to those articles i posted?
So LA Rams fans are all idiots as well, or do you think there might be a connection? You just blame Wenger for everything

And why do you say i get the accounts wrong, i know they arent paid, i've known that since ive been posting on these forums, i dont know the exact details, i admit that but i know that the debts arent cleared. I've no idea how that has anything do with what i originally posted though. You dont need to write so much either, you go off in tangents about stuff and it just clouds the specific debate were having.
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So you posted three links to prove he takes money out of the club... none of which say it.

Did you read the links, do you understand why those fans hate him? He picked up the club and moved it to another city, another state. It would be like Arsenal moving to Manchester... it doesn't imply he took money out of the club. American clubs have all to often in multiple sports picked up and moved city because there is a financial benefit to doing so.

You decided to tell me you were bored because I was wrong about everything all the time, I countered with all the things you got wrong, which wasn't a tangent but as usual you can't even keep track of your own arguments and points.

There is actual evidence Kroenke hasn't taken any significant money out of Arsenal, there is legally nothing stopping him emptying his share of the cash account out of the club or paying himself 30million a year... yet he categorically doesn't. When fans delusionally accuse a man of taking money out of their club when they are legally entitled to and known to not have done, those fans don't have a clue what they are talking about.

He HAS paid himself, a comparatively small wage, which again as he basically owns the club is entitled to, he's paid himself like 3million and I don't even believe it's every year. Considering that is less than a lot of the players, Wenger and Gazidis makes.. and he owns the club, it's a paltry amount.

Show me evidence of him taking money out of the club because that was the question, the question wasn't, do fans of one of his clubs hate him or not because it's completely irrelevant. You are in fact trying to muddy the waters here with such information. Newcastle fans hate Mike Ashley but he's put 250-300million into the club.... one has nothing to do with the other.
 
Clipsey said:
I'm actually quite excited about the proposed partnership of Xhaka and Coquelin, I think those two are going to seriously help out the midfield and defence!
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I think it's rare they will play together tbh, will Wenger finally be sensible and try such a pairing behind an attacking midfielder say against barcelona.... we'll see.

I think he got way too excited about how good Coquelin was, decided he was worth 30mil then before he got injured he wasn't actually close to his form from the previous year. Xhaka looks more like the long term first team DM with Coquelin moving back to rotation/injury cover.
 
It will probably be rotated, but hopefully those two will start in that defensive system, unless Jack will start in that position?
The 3 attacking mids will be tougher to choose from:
Santi
Ozil
Sanchez
Ramsey
Theo
Ox

....hopefully the first 3/4 will be the preferred option.
 
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