The Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q – a 27” 1400p 144Hz Monitor with G-SYNC

Ah maaaan,

I can't wait till summer. I'm monitorless and trying to work on my tv is just becoming a ball ache

So, what's the best choice for a 1440p in your guys opinion. Mostly it will be for cad work and adobe shizz, but will play some games on it from time to time when I can pull myself away from playing games on my tv. Oh, and a nice thin bezel. And some skittles

Nothing jumps out at me from the ocuk bunch

Or do I go 1080 with 120hz? It's going on a trifire 290 system, so should keep up the 120fps for a while, but I'm pretty sure I'd make better use of the extra resolution for work.

Dam you Rog. Dam you
 
cmsbfent said:
Ah maaaan,

I can't wait till summer. I'm monitorless and trying to work on my tv is just becoming a ball ache

So, what's the best choice for a 1440p in your guys opinion. Mostly it will be for cad work and adobe shizz, but will play some games on it from time to time when I can pull myself away from playing games on my tv. Oh, and a nice thin bezel. And some skittles

Nothing jumps out at me from the ocuk bunch

Or do I go 1080 with 120hz? It's going on a trifire 290 system, so should keep up the 120fps for a while, but I'm pretty sure I'd make better use of the extra resolution for work.

Dam you Rog. Dam you
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If your doing mostly cad and PS work with the occasional game then the pb278q might be best which obviously you can get now!
 
PCM2 said:
It is unlikely to happen. And good luck running 4K at 120fps or even consistently above 60fps on modern titles with good detail levels. Even in a few years time. ;)
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Engines or titles built from the ground up with close to metal APIs in mind (i.e. Mantle) should not struggle. You've seen the massive boost some people with high end setups are getting on a very early version of Mantle drivers in BF4 (a game with tacked on support and an engine that will have a huge amount more work done). That should be a taster. Biggest issue with 4K is VRAM.

4K at 120+Hz is bound to happen within a year, though I suspect the first monitors will be low quality, rushed products to catch early adoption money. Technically speaking there's no reason for it not to happen.
 
pmc25 said:
Engines or titles built from the ground up with close to metal APIs in mind (i.e. Mantle) should not struggle. You've seen the massive boost some people with high end setups are getting on a very early version of Mantle drivers in BF4 (a game with tacked on support and an engine that will have a huge amount more work done). That should be a taster. Biggest issue with 4K is VRAM.

4K at 120+Hz is bound to happen within a year, though I suspect the first monitors will be low quality, rushed products to catch early adoption money. Technically speaking there's no reason for it not to happen.
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I admire your optimism, but don't share it. :) As this thread shows 2560 x 1440 models at 120Hz+ are only just tapping into the mainstream. And there are valid concerns amongst many average/enthusiast gamers about having the GPU horsepower to run even these. 120Hz 4K requires a new DP/HDMI standard which is still a little way off from even making its way onto GPUs let alone monitors. And you're going to need more than a bit of a boost from APIs like Mantle to miraculously increase frame rates in games to more than double their current values, consistently.
 
PCM2 said:
I admire your optimism, but don't share it. :) As this thread shows 2560 x 1440 models at 120Hz+ are only just tapping into the mainstream. And there are valid concerns amongst many average/enthusiast gamers about having the GPU horsepower to run even these. 120Hz 4K requires a new DP/HDMI standard which is still a little way off from even making its way onto GPUs let alone monitors. And you're going to need more than a bit of a boost from APIs like Mantle to miraculously increase frame rates in games to more than double their current values, consistently.
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DP 1.3 will be in products by late Q3, early Q4 this year. HDMI won't be changed for a while. FYI, some of the panels in 4K TVs launching later this year are capable of running at 120hz at native resolution, without interpolation ... whether the scalers they use are capable of spitting that out is yet to be determined (and probably missing in the '14 TVs).

Like I say, it should pose few problems with highly optimised stuff. Biggest problem with high resolution at any refresh rate is the huge amounts of VRAM they usually require. By ~Q3 next year we should finally have new GPUs on a smaller process (20nm this year or at all is now extraordinarily unlikely) ... there's likely to be a big step up in oomph, though cost could be collossal.
 
pmc25 said:
DP 1.3 will be in products by late Q3, early Q4 this year. HDMI won't be changed for a while. FYI, some of the panels in 4K TVs launching later this year are capable of running at 120hz at native resolution, without interpolation ... whether the scalers they use are capable of spitting that out is yet to be determined (and probably missing in the '14 TVs).

Like I say, it should pose few problems with highly optimised stuff. Biggest problem with high resolution at any refresh rate is the huge amounts of VRAM they usually require. By ~Q3 next year we should finally have new GPUs on a smaller process (20nm this year or at all is now extraordinarily unlikely) ... there's likely to be a big step up in oomph, though cost could be collossal.
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What I'm personally quite excited about, which I believe will make this all more attractive to most gamers, is the possibility of variable refresh rate technology on DP 1.3. Of course G-SYNC is there for Nvidia users which would be very interesting to see on a 120Hz UHD monitor. I'm not confident that DP 1.3 will make its way onto monitors later this year though. It's not something I've researched much into recently but I don't know of anything in the pipeline.
 
PCM2 said:
What I'm personally quite excited about, which I believe will make this all more attractive to most gamers, is the possibility of variable refresh rate technology on DP 1.3. Of course G-SYNC is there for Nvidia users which would be very interesting to see on a 120Hz UHD monitor. I'm not confident that DP 1.3 will make its way onto monitors later this year though. It's not something I've researched much into recently but I don't know of anything in the pipeline.
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Indeed, this is one of the main reasons why NVIDIA rushed out a paper launch of a far from ready product, with what is an increasingly long wait until enabled G-Synch monitors hit the market. They were desperate to pre-empt an open industry standard with their own proprietary one.

There's been no word that DP1.3 has been delayed, AFAIK spec is still expected to be locked in the next couple of months. Once that happens, technically you could see products almost immediately. Hardware wise, graphics card and monitor makers will have to do almost nothing ... hardest bit will be writing the firmware and drivers.
 
Fruitbooter said:
If your doing mostly cad and PS work with the occasional game then the pb278q might be best which obviously you can get now!
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Thanks. Think I'm just going to have to do it. Seems to have pretty good reviews and suppose I should do some work at some point. The 120hz would be nice, but I can convince myself I don't 'really' need it : )
 
pmc25 said:
Indeed, this is one of the main reasons why NVIDIA rushed out a paper launch of a far from ready product, with what is an increasingly long wait until enabled G-Synch monitors hit the market. They were desperate to pre-empt an open industry standard with their own proprietary one.

There's been no word that DP1.3 has been delayed, AFAIK spec is still expected to be locked in the next couple of months. Once that happens, technically you could see products almost immediately. Hardware wise, graphics card and monitor makers will have to do almost nothing ... hardest bit will be writing the firmware and drivers.
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Extremely unlikely or overly optimistic. Just look at HDMI2.0, the only devices using it so far are sets from the manufacturers who are part of the group, and even then it is not full 2.0 but more like a slightly overclocked 1.4 and no support devices offering 2.0 passthrough either
 
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Not sure I'd call it a rushed paper launch, every article i've read on it is very positive and if they can keep the additional price down on new monitors that use it, then it would be an excellent feature.

I'm looking forward to first hand reviews of this monitor, in theory it has nearly everything needed, I hope the whole HIGH QUALITY TN PANEL spin isn't just bs, the asus ones i've seen so far have been truly awful at colour reproduction
 
andybird123 said:
Extremely unlikely or overly optimistic. Just look at HDMI2.0, the only devices using it so far are sets from the manufacturers who are part of the group, and even then it is not full 2.0 but more like a slightly overclocked 1.4 and no support devices offering 2.0 passthrough either
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It's not at all. Monitors and their controllers / scalers have hardware support for pretty much all the DP 1.3 spec already, just like several TV manufacturers released TVs which were completely hardware compatible with HDMI 2 last year, and could be firmware upgraded latterly.

for DP, they can do this because the overwhelming majority of the spec is already known and anything changed will be very minor, and no function critical features will be added this late in the day. the variable refresh rate thing is a different kettle of fish, but otherwise the only 'compatibility' issue with the higher bandwidth offered is monitors having both a controller / scaler and panel capable of outputting an image requiring more bandwidth than 1.2 ... and that is in no way dependent on the 1.3 DP standard. much more changed between HDMI 1.4a and 2.0 than DP1.2 to 1.3 ... and there ARE some compatibility issues, hence why it is being adopted slowly. there aren't such issues with DP.
 
I'm definitely going to get the Asus when it comes out, just wish it was now. I have the cash ready, but ideally don't fancy spending more than £500, especially for a TN panel. I currently have the VG278HE so this definitely seams the most logical upgrade for me. :)
 
pmc25 said:
It's not at all. Monitors and their controllers / scalers have hardware support for pretty much all the DP 1.3 spec already, just like several TV manufacturers released TVs which were completely hardware compatible with HDMI 2 last year, and could be firmware upgraded latterly..
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That was my point, the "upgraded" hdmi 2.0 devices out now do not in fact support the full hdmi 2.0 spec, only up to 4:2:0, 8-bit colour sampling
"upgraded" DP1.3 monitors might well face a similar problem, particularly with something potentially as complex as variable refresh rate
 
For those mentions 120hz TV's, I've paid close attention to AVForums 4k reviews, one issue on all of them is response time, from 50ms in game mode to 150ms calibrated the electronics of the 2014 sets are not ideal for PC screen replacement/gaming.

Though I agree with peoples concern that these screens are coming too late to the party, my plan to replace one of my three monitors with one as been sidelined for an Oculus Rift DK2 pre-order.
 
Asus need to get a statement out shortly on price and availability of these, that 4k £500 Sammy unit is going to pull potential customers away. Though I might buy both :D
 
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