The Banter Thread

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Robbo said:
I completely agree. I don't understand their mentality either.

Pogba will be on a very fair whack for someone his age no doubt, and he's effectively proved nothing at a high level - yet.
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Yep. I know we've not got City's money but we've enough around to pay the promising youths a very nice wage for their age and potential. Unfortunately they don't understand, like you say, that it's their performances just don't justify the regular first team place, which in turn justify the wages they want. However, as I think with Morrison, I'd be happy for us to eject these morons from the club and let them fester at clubs where they'll achieve nothing compared to what they could with Man Utd. I mean West Ham? No offence to the Hammers, but Morrison could have looked forward to more trophies/titles, money and recognition at OT than he can realistically expect at West Ham. Wouldn't be surprised if he leaves WH in the next few years and drops down a level in terms of his next club.

Rotty said:
but faggot is used by certain groups in society as a general insult anyway these days, not nice but that's how it is
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Oh yeah, I agree. I work in a school and the kids use the F word as if it's part of the English language and not a swear word. However I think the FA have gone for Morrison because he said something that is considered an offensive word. I don't think the FA care what he said but that he said something offensive. It's more an image thing for the FA. Punish those who are rude and don't meet the standards expected of footballers. Then they can say that subsequent offenders can't plead ignorance. There's also the role model issue perhaps. The FA don't want footballers getting away with behaviour like this to stop young people who might idolise football from thinking that's its acceptable behaviour because it wasn't punished. Morrison didn't offend me with his rant and I bet not many on Twitter were, but I just thought that he should be punished to teach him that a) his behaviour is unacceptable and b) he'll get punished where it hurts for a footballer - the wallet!
 
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sunnysingh said:
What's all this talk of Rafa Benitez being the man to save Chelsea season ?
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It's in the Times today. It appears that there is a player’s revolt which needs to be stopped and a firm hand required until the end of the season. There is talk of a three month contract. The endless speculation won’t stop now until the next season starts. I hope it’s a ghastly rumour.
 
jakeke said:
The Chelsea players are pathetic
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In what way? AVB has come in, arbitrarily picked on players, been a complete arse by almost every single piece of news coming out of Chelsea and, supposedly he ASKED for the players opinions and when people spoke out, dropped them. Sorry but I would be ridiculous angry at the manager in that situation.

Also AVB has clearly taken them backwards, he decided who he wanted to get rid of before the season even started, and it comes across as all year season finding any excuse to punish said players till they simply ask to leave, with a couple of them he simply for all intents and purposes, threw them out of the club having done nothing wrong at all.


I mean this is a manger who has consistently dropped their best striker over the past 5 years, for an expensive flop who has done entirely nothing. he's mismanaging the team on every level, angering and frankly intimidating the players for no reason and the Chelsea players are pathetic for not being happy about it?

What if Wenger at any stage this season simply said, RVP, you're dropped go away and Kos, Arshavin, you're done at Arsenal you can't train with the first team at all, you have to go in Jan, oh and you can't go to the xmas party either.
 
The Chelsea players are clearly getting in the way and throwing their egos around. I'd hate the job. Half of the squad need replacing. They're just spoilt and they think they run the club. There's been an awful attitude amongst them ever since Mourinho left. Strange that ..
 
jakeke said:
The Chelsea players are clearly getting in the way and throwing their egos around. I'd hate the job. Half of the squad need replacing. They're just spoilt and they think they run the club. There's been an awful attitude amongst them ever since Mourinho left. Strange that ..
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It's strange that he seems to like John Terry who you would think would be the main culprit of such behaviour.
 
jakeke said:
The Chelsea players are clearly getting in the way and throwing their egos around. I'd hate the job. Half of the squad need replacing. They're just spoilt and they think they run the club. There's been an awful attitude amongst them ever since Mourinho left. Strange that ..
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Yeah, a guy with a huge attitude problem who taught them to behave that way, left them as such, shocking.

Except, Ancelloti didn't have a problem, Grant didn't have a problem Hiddink didn't have a problem. AVB has come in and done things that I've not heard of really any other top manager trying.

In fact the only example I can think of off the top of my head is Capello and Beckham at Real, where you got the impression he thought Beckham was too big so felt the need to show the other players what he was capable of, then he was forced into putting him back in the team when from what I can recall he was very good till the end of the season.

AVB started the season with the intention of getting rid of certain players, he's dropped them and displayed a level of arrogance even Mourinho couldn't match.

Sorry but, did Alex and Anelka supposedly do anything wrong before AVB decided to make his point by bannishing them from interacting with the first team in any way? What about banning Anelka from the xmas party, what about forcing his players to run over to him to celebrate.

Lampard/Cole/Essien supposedly speak about their problems when ASKED TO SPEAK ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS, then get punished for it.

This love in for managers being able to behave how they want and footballers shouldn't be allowed to talk or they are out of order is laughable.

Again as pointed out, Capello actually drastically changed the England camp set up after Terry spoke out, and everyone in the camp said it got much better. You've got a hard arse manager unwilling to listen, but when forced to, things improved. England were a significantly better team after the world cup than any time before.

AVB had an agenda, maybe given to him directly by Roman, but its clear as day what he is trying to do and blaming the players for AVB/Roman's plans is daft.
 
Grant didn't have a problem? The players didn't even listen to him and made their own tactics. GRANTed, Grant wasn't the best manager ever, but the players are absolutely poisonous. Thank god I don't have to support them
 
drunkenmaster said:
In what way? AVB has come in, arbitrarily picked on players, been a complete arse by almost every single piece of news coming out of Chelsea and, supposedly he ASKED for the players opinions and when people spoke out, dropped them. Sorry but I would be ridiculous angry at the manager in that situation.

Also AVB has clearly taken them backwards, he decided who he wanted to get rid of before the season even started, and it comes across as all year season finding any excuse to punish said players till they simply ask to leave, with a couple of them he simply for all intents and purposes, threw them out of the club having done nothing wrong at all.


I mean this is a manger who has consistently dropped their best striker over the past 5 years, for an expensive flop who has done entirely nothing. he's mismanaging the team on every level, angering and frankly intimidating the players for no reason and the Chelsea players are pathetic for not being happy about it?

What if Wenger at any stage this season simply said, RVP, you're dropped go away and Kos, Arshavin, you're done at Arsenal you can't train with the first team at all, you have to go in Jan, oh and you can't go to the xmas party either.
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Your example doesn't quite ring true as Wenger would have had Van Persie in his squad since he was a teenager, whereas Villas-Boas is obviously an incoming manager with a squad whose core hasn't changed much since Mourinho left.

And it's not unreasonable to have a fair idea of who he wants to shift or keep even before you watch the team play, as he hardly didn't do any research before he arrived at Stamford Bridge and there are undeniable factors like age at play.

While I agree with you that André may not be the chivalrous purist we're making him out to be, there's no doubt Terry et all are a pervasive irritation that very few managers in the world have to put up with.
 
Obvious statement: Distribution isn't about creating chances. It's just as if not more important to be able to find your team consistently with kicks/throw and De Gea is excellent at that.
 
But surely you don't need a research team to figure out that 'good distribution' for a 'keeper doesn't immediately equate to 'assists/directly created chances'... just like observing that Unai Emery is a good manager doesn't immediately mean that he has to have won X amount of La Ligas. Statistics are always relative to position.
 
Moses said:
It depends if chances created = assists. I'm guessing that chances created is something less than assists, in their methodology...
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Chances created one would assume means keeper kicks/throws it out and the player who receives it ends up having a shot on goal, either way unless it's abysmal defending and one long ball cuts out an entire defence the receiving player is always going to have a tough job creating a chance direct from a keepers pass. It's not a slant on the keeper for not creating chances it's a testament to the opposition defenders for not being beaten by one long ball or let one player run lets say 20/30 yards with the ball without being tackled.

Keepers get praised for the distribution for their ability to start attacks something all the best Spanish keepers are known for (Reina, Valdes Casillas)
 
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