The Banter Thread

DiCe! · 2 Jan 2013 at 16:27

fez said:
You are comparing apples and oranges.

How many incidents are there in a football match where an incorrect decision has been made. When you get fouled and get nothing you are hardly going to be putting your hands up and admit that you were not fouled the next time.

I'll be that you will get fewer incorrect decisions in a cricket season than in a single football match. The decisions are much easier and clear cut in cricket. Did it hit the bat or not; did it touch the ground or not; was his foot over the line when he bowled. With football you are deciding if the contact was enough to go down, did he dive, was there actually any contact.

Add in the problem of a contact sport played with 22 players at speed vs a very small number of active players in cricket and the static nature of the umpires. I have no idea why everyone things that football should be compared to other sports when there is no other sport like it. Maybe in 10 years when everything is done with technology and we are 99% sure that a correct decision is always made then I will accept that we cam compare it to most other sports.

Could you not compare it to Rugby and Hockey?

fez · 2 Jan 2013 at 16:33

DiCe! said:
Could you not compare it to Rugby and Hockey?

If they were paid millions a year then perhaps. I play a lot of hockey and I can assure you that its a lot easier than football to referee. There are a lot more boundaries that make giving decisions easy. They have tv replays in both, both have a sin bin system for dealing with incidents.

One More Solo · 2 Jan 2013 at 17:12

In addition to that, the notion that rugby players are well behaved is utter ****. From local club to international level the standards are dropping rapidly.

Moses said:
I wouldn't say the honourable side of cricket's rare, especially compared to any kind of genuine fair play in football! It's often the case people will walk, or there will be a fielder who'll admit they're not sure if the ball hit the ground first (so they go to video) etc... and most definitely often compared to the number of times anything similar happens in football, which is frankly scummy in comparison!

Nah, he basically said it's fine for people to cheat, because the refs/umpires/authorities are there to stop them. I just disagree with that notion, and your comment about a total desire to win, including cheating, being what differentiates elite athletes from normal people - instead I'd say all athletes have an unbelievable desire to win, and, lamentably, some use that as an excuse to cheat.

I can think of as many instances recently in cricket where fielders have appealed for a catch knowing full well the ball hasn't carried or batsmen have stood there yet on replay are shown to be out. Cricket is one of those sports where everyone has a rose tinted view of how well behaved everyone is - like rugby to an extent - but it's nonsense really.

In rugby, you only have to look at players like Richie McCaw who are lauded for "pushing the boundaries" when it comes to legality. Like football, the rules are sufficiently woolly for players to bend them as they see fit. Surely this is part of the skill of the game?

cm1179 · 2 Jan 2013 at 18:44

One More Solo said:
Like football, the rules are sufficiently woolly for players to bend them as they see fit. Surely this is part of the skill of the game?

the amount of times the rules are bent in rugby and cricket are miniscule compared to football.

a good batsman will walk before being told and you will hardly ever ever see a rugby player talking to the ref in way footballers do. but then i forget, it's all about the passion in football :rolleyes:

elmuzzy66. · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:02

Looks like he's free to go back to spurs. a man's man :eek:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/...-der-vaart-splits-wife-violent-140901863.html

Stewy · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:17

Well that was very silly of him.

One More Solo · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:17

elmuzzy66. said:
Looks like he's free to go back to spurs. a man's man
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/...-der-vaart-splits-wife-violent-140901863.html

A man's man? A **** more like.

cm1179 said:
the amount of times the rules are bent in rugby and cricket are miniscule compared to football.

a good batsman will walk before being told and you will hardly ever ever see a rugby player talking to the ref in way footballers do. but then i forget, it's all about the passion in football

You clearly know very little about rugby, and I never said anything about bending the rules in cricket as there are fewer grey areas in the sport. That doesn't stop cricketers cheating outright though (spot fixing, illegal bowling actions, ball tampering...). Then there's sledging which is hardly encouraged by the rules but goes on nonetheless.

cm1179 · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:19

One More Solo said:
You clearly know very little about rugby,.

oh right ok

Tom84 · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:34

One More Solo said:
You clearly know very little about rugby

Well he knows little about football either so maybe replace rugby with sport?

Stewy · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:35

Tom84 said:
Well he knows little about football either so maybe replace rugby with sport?

Beep beep, all aboard the banter bus!

One More Solo · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:37

cm1179 said:
oh right ok

Wait, what's this:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...-say-wales-and-springboks-20110903-1jrqq.html

Oh, it's an article in which the Wales captain says:

"I think Richie is the best at sussing (working) out the referees but it's just part and parcel of the game.
"I could play 80 minutes and pick out 10 things where someone has done something illegal but it goes on all the time constantly. I think its something all the players, from 1 to 15 try and do on the pitch at some stage."

Supported by Francois Louw who adds:

"It's quite a fine line and it's always the interpretation of the ref that counts on the day.
"I think the most important thing is to get a feel for the ref. Some guys have mastered it better than others but at the end of the day if you can get away with it then you have done a good job."

But, yeah, you obviously know better than that.

cm1179 · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:46

he's probably referring to stamping and grabbing peoples nut sacks.

One More Solo · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:48

Classic cm1179, get shown up for talking rubbish and revert to type.

cm1179 · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:51

so you give a bit part interview from one person, from an aussie website and i'm reverting to tripe? (i assume you meant tripe and not 'type' as you put it?)

One More Solo · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:53

cm1179 said:
so you give a bit part interview from one person, from an aussie website and i'm reverting to tripe? (i assume you meant tripe and not 'type' as you put it?)

I'm quoting this for posterity, hahahaha.

cm1179 · 2 Jan 2013 at 19:58

another gem from yourself in a page full of them.

fez · 2 Jan 2013 at 20:00

I do fear that Rugby is the poster boy for sportsmanship for a lot of people when there is little to suggest that it is any better than football.

Do people think that because rugby is more physical that its due to superior morals and self restraint rather than the ability to get your own back within the rules that keeps arguments to a minimum. There are obviously many factors but I always remember that people didn't get nearly as riled up playing rugby when I was in school as they did football.

Some complete **** would try and break your legs with a tackle and it would go unpunished and there was nothing you could do. At least in rugby you just wiped him out next time you could in a tackle.

One More Solo · 2 Jan 2013 at 20:05

cm1179 said:
another gem from yourself in a page full of them.

I dunno, you're the one reverting to tripe.

cm1179 · 2 Jan 2013 at 20:07

it's your favourite level

Tummy · 3 Jan 2013 at 02:17

Can we please, PLEASE get through a single day where you don't set out to wind and bait people cm?

A late Christmas present if you will.