*** The Car Cleaning Thread ***

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Odd question here but do polishing products go off?

I've got a various products from various companies all of which are between 2 and 5 years old. I'm not too fussed on a spotless clean but would like to give my jeep a really good clean. I'm even thinking about a rotary purely because if I make a mess its no big deal but its a good vehicle to learn on being mostly flat sides.
 
yes, but to what extent depends upon how they've been stored, what temperature they've been stored at, what product it is etc..

iirc you can usually tell if its gone off,as the product consistency changes so its obvious as soon as you start using it that its not the same.
 
I really need to get into this cleaning thing :p

ZS has taken a battering over the winter, we've had it pretty heavy up here in the Norf and it's been out in all weathers... first wash it's had this year :D

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Crap pics, I need to stop using a phone for a main camera :o
 
If you have waxed it, you don't need to use a sealant. They both do the same job, one is a natural product (wax) and the other is synthetic (sealant). Sealants are also liquid so can be very easy to apply and also suit lighter coloured cars, especially light metallic paints. I used EGP sealant on mine because i've got tons left in the garage still. Waxes/sealants do not make the big difference when it comes to the presentation of the car, it's the preparation before hand, so when choosing one, just go for one that offers good durability/easy to use.

Thanks :)

I've heard people talk about using a sealant then a wax and I just couldn't get my head around why they would, I didn't really understand the difference between them.

Might have to try a sealant at some point if they're good for light metallics, mine is Blaze Yellow which is pug's yellowy gold colour. Looks nice when it's sparkly and the sun hits it, looks terrible when it's dirty though.
 
My Golf was about 3 weeks old with an immaculate paint job when, in a rush, I decided to put it through the car wash :S

Swirl marks are going to become a PITA with this car, but I didn't expect this after one wash:

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Fortunately they were bad but fairly light - two runs (by hand!) with Megs ScratchX and I got it much improved (excuse the picture quality)

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Took me 2 hours to do one side of the car (doors, wing, rear quarter) by hand including applying a finishing polish/wax afterwards. Just glad it's not permenant!

Moral of the story - dont use car washes :( lesson learnt!
 
I really need to get into this cleaning thing :p

ZS has taken a battering over the winter, we've had it pretty heavy up here in the Norf and it's been out in all weathers... first wash it's had this year :D

Crap pics, I need to stop using a phone for a main camera :o

Get some new number plates on there :)
 
Fox, re the rotary thread:

If I were you, to save confusion and messing about, stick with one or two opinions. It doesn't have to be mine by any stretch, but if this post is followed by 10 other ways of doing it or a dozen different variations on the polish/pad combination, choose one and get the stuff ordered. I wouldn't have said this a few years ago, but a lot of this gear is very much of a muchness. What is really important is your technique, your patience and your time. Time spent in prep will repay itself tenfold when it comes time to slap on the wax.

I'm going on the assumption you want to remove any imperfections, not mask them and also use the DA in the process. If not, stick with the SRP, which is a great product by hand and top with whatever you want. This shouldn't put you off, but on a silver car, I doubt on your first go you'll be bowled over and amazed. If all your paint is less than 3 years old, even more so. Then again, put in the time and you should be happy with the result, and it'll be better next time.

I also have a bad habit of over buying. I don't want to get half way through doing a car and then get stuck because Halfords don't carry pads and the car has to wait a week before the vendor delivers. So if the list seems excessive or too expensive, I'll put an asterisk next to the less important stuff. I'm not shopping around for the best price, I use Polished Bliss who have a second-to-none customer service, but cleanyourcar and others may be cheaper or have everything in stock. The other thing with Polished Bliss is they are ruthless with their product selection, they use everything they sell over and over again before it's made available to us and some very lucrative lines were dropped early as they didn't cut it.

The biggest favour you can do yourself is read about the processes and what does what etc without the jargon. DW is great but can be overwhelming and is brimming with "experts", strange acronyms and terms that may be confusing for a novice. I'm not affiliated in any way with Polished Bliss, but they have a really, really good guide section. Spend some time there and do a bit of research: http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/seek-advice.html

Check what came with your DA. You will need:

A flexible backing plate for the larger pads, 125mm
A flexible backing plate for the smaller pads, 75mm (*)
http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/flexipads-dual-action_backing-plates-polish.html

2 x 140mm light cut pad (orange)
2 x 140mm polishing pad (green)
http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/lake-country-140mm-pads-polish.html

There is a reason why you should buy 2 below, plus if a pad unglues or gets saturated, you won't have to stop.

1 x 100mm light cut spot pad (orange)*
1 x 100mm polishing spot pad (green)*
http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/lake-country-100mm-spot-pads-polish.html

250ml Menzerna 203s polish
http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/menzerna-203s-polish.html

250ml Menzerna 85RE polish
http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/menzerna-85re-polish.html

Painters tape for your trim, low tack (B&Q do it)
http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/3m-high-performance-masking-tape-polish.html

If you are after a guide on how to polish, they're plenty about, youtube as well. I'm tempted to do a quick video on the above pad/polish combo, but in the meantime it's a pretty easy and logical process.

Start with large backing plate, large green pad and 85RE. Polish (check the guides or ask here). If defects are removed, you're laughing. BMW paint is hard though, so more than likely you will need to remove the green pad (place in a ziploc bag so it does not dry out) and put the large orange pad on. Try the 85RE again, the pad has more cutting action but again may not do it. So now you want to use the other orange pad as you don't really want to mix polishes ideally, or use Clarkeys method of a toothbrush in the other thread. So orange pad and 203S. This is your highest level of cut and if this is not removing the issues, then you need a stronger pad and compound, but this is really, really unlikely. You are starting with the least amount of cut because the goal here is to remove the imperfections along with the least amount of clearcoat.

The smaller pads and backing plate are very handy for tight spots and deeper swirls, RIDS or whatever they are called this year. The smaller face allows for more pressure and friction between the panel and the pad, therfore quicker spot defect removal.

The things you don't want to skimp on are microfibre cloths and whatever your last stage choice (wax or sealant or both) will be. The PB guide has a nice section on the different look you can achieve on certain colours. The Werkstat acylic combo is very nice on silver. The Werkstat system is not a wax, you do it after polishing. So it would be polish > Werkstat Prime > Werkstat Acrylic Jett as your last stage.

One thing I have noticed in spending stupid amounts on this gear is that the manufacturer systems do tend to compliment each other. Enough to warrant buying Werkstat shampoo if you use the rest of the Werkstat sytem, Blackfire shampoo if using Blackfire sealant etc. But again, your milage may vary and I may be consoling myself over wasted coin.

The MF cloths are important because crappy ones will mar the surface. Sounds stupid but take an old MF that probably hasn't been washed properly and rub it over a blank cd face. If it's leaving scratches, it's probably best left for door jambs. Buy good ones, plenty of, and wash them with non-bio and hang dry. Polished Bliss car Poorboys MF cloths which last well and won't leave a mark on the softest clearcoat.

This all sounds utterly ridiculous and anal, but there we are.

That should get you started. Probably missed something obvious, I'll edit it if so.

edit - to include Clarkeys toothbrush/polish swap.
 
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Silver is quite hard to get noticeable improvement on [ unlike reds,black etc] but with practice and the right gear, you can start to get good results.

Menz 203s/3M orange pad and a rotary + a couple of hours work and almost all my swirls are gone. Well on the bonnet anyway!

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All this rotary talk!

I'm going to pay £50~ to a friend who works in the Ford dealership to do mine on a night shift using their polisher :)
 
Ok been given my ibiza a lot more love recently and it does come up very nice using AG polish and resin stuff.

my car is a freaking mess in regards to paint work condition. Little scratches and very bad stone chipped bonnet from the previous owner.

I have some T-Cut to get some of the light scratches off but it doesnt realy seem to be working (metalic dark blue) And all that happens is i get a nicely polished scratched car.


Any products that would aid in removal of the scratches better than t-cut? got no chance of getting rid of the awful stone chips. It needs a re-spray but im not going to drop that sorta money on a 9 year old ibiza.
 
I'm going to pay £50~ to a friend who works in the Ford dealership to do mine on a night shift using their polisher :)

This is a good option. You have to sort of enjoy polishing your car to get a decent result and it's a fair amount of time invested. Paying someone leaves you with a minty fresh car, no clean up and zero hassle. I can see the appeal.


And yes, as MrLOL and Clarkey said, a good light source is needed otherwise you are just guessing with every pass. Also helps to see at what stage the polish is at (hazy, clear etc, that comes later)
 
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