The Cryptolambo had gone to the moon... Time for Cryptolambo 2!!!

The Police are human with all the foibles that come with that.

Some are good, some are bad, some are consistent, some less so and some are straight and some are bent.

The middle bit is where most police sit, dealing with the scum of our nation day in day out it's no surprise they get it wrong sometimes.

I am not defending them, but to a question above to another person from @hurfdurf I know loads of them, close friends, the ones I have known for 40 years and grew up with. Not people I have met along the way. I trust them all, they are my best friends amongst others, but they are all human. Most have and continue to do a great job and that is getting harder and harder with each week and month.

They all hate traffic mind :cry::cry:;)



...and to add, ALL will tell you say less not more or say nothing IF under caution.
 
Housey said:
I am not defending them, but to a question above to another person from @hurfdurf I know loads of them, close friends, the ones I have known for 40 years and grew up with. Not people I have met along the way. I trust them all, they are my best friends amongst others, but they are all human. Most have and continue to do a great job and that is getting harder and harder with each week and month.
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I think one of the main problems with Policing is expectations. A lot of people haven’t any idea how Policing works in general.

“Someone chucked a brick at my car window, the police didn’t even come out to investigate”

Uhhhh, what’s there to investigate?

“Take finger prints from the brick” - not a real thing
“Look at cctv in the 48 hour period and see who was in the area” - how does that show that they did it
“Have a look at the evidence” - what evidence, why do police need to come and have a look at your broken car window and a brick


As someone who had previously operated on the wrong side of the law on occasion, it pays to know how the police work, and the general public are clueless. Most criminals know the game because they actually interact with the police. If you do so, you’ll have realistic expectations in to how Policing can work.

That also goes for knowing the law, police officers cannot expect to know the law off by heart for every crime. Lawyers don’t. It’s why they keep their books. You would expect a plumber to be able to fix your boiler, you wouldn’t expect your plumber to know every single screw and part number off the top of their head before even looking at your boiler before they come round.

Yet idiots expect police officers on £30k a year who are going hands on with offenders in public to rattle off every word of legislation on what they are acting on.

There are some great individuals in the Police, ACAB because the institution is broken and they are primarily hired to protect the upper classes wealth and power, and use physical force to stop lower classes getting out of hand whilst doing nothing to stop the likes of government corruption or illegal working practices.
 
As an update my (currently) 6 page complaint is now with my solicitor detailing in depths the failures of the officers and will shortly be sent over to the west mercia police standards department and their legal department.
 
hurfdurf said:
I think one of the main problems with Policing is expectations. A lot of people haven’t any idea how Policing works in general.

“Someone chucked a brick at my car window, the police didn’t even come out to investigate”

Uhhhh, what’s there to investigate?

“Take finger prints from the brick” - not a real thing
“Look at cctv in the 48 hour period and see who was in the area” - how does that show that they did it
“Have a look at the evidence” - what evidence, why do police need to come and have a look at your broken car window and a brick


As someone who had previously operated on the wrong side of the law on occasion, it pays to know how the police work, and the general public are clueless. Most criminals know the game because they actually interact with the police. If you do so, you’ll have realistic expectations in to how Policing can work.

That also goes for knowing the law, police officers cannot expect to know the law off by heart for every crime. Lawyers don’t. It’s why they keep their books. You would expect a plumber to be able to fix your boiler, you wouldn’t expect your plumber to know every single screw and part number off the top of their head before even looking at your boiler before they come round.

Yet idiots expect police officers on £30k a year who are going hands on with offenders in public to rattle off every word of legislation on what they are acting on.

There are some great individuals in the Police, ACAB because the institution is broken and they are primarily hired to protect the upper classes wealth and power, and use physical force to stop lower classes getting out of hand whilst doing nothing to stop the likes of government corruption or illegal working practices.
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To quote Mr Bridger from the Italian Job.... "Camp Freddy, everyone in the world is bent"

The challenge the police are faced with is they can't please MOST of the people MOST of the time. Don't want to make this a police debate and certainly not detract from what seems like a bad bit of policing here, but it's not until you've spent time with long term officers (most of my friends are retiring or retired in the next 2-3 years) you realise just what a thankless task they have.

I spent New Years day with 2 very senior officers and we spent a fair few hours debating the merits of policing and the challenges they face. Good people by any measure, people you want to have beers with but glad they are heading for the end of their careers both, yet still 100% committed to trying to do the best job possible. I am attending another officers retirement drinks on 31st another very senior and very close friend and attended another 2 weeks ago with a far less senior but retiring officer who I have know since I was 15. A nicer person you would not meet and the personification of the bobby on the beat.

They, as much as anyone hate bad policing, bad practice, egotists and those who feel the law empowers them to be angry at us all.
 
kindai said:
As an update my (currently) 6 page complaint is now with my solicitor detailing in depths the failures of the officers and will shortly be sent over to the west mercia police standards department and their legal department.
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Excellent. Is it going to PSD, for an inspector to get back to you or straight to the IOPC or whatever they are calling themselves now?
 
Well pretty sure my battery is on the way out, havent driven the car in 5 days and this morning went to get some shopping and completely conked.

Time to get an anti-gravity battery ordered.
 
kindai said:
As of today, no reply to my last email.

I have also requested all footage from the cars and bodycams on my incident be saved for potential judicial review at the high court.
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lol, reign it in. This isn't ever going to go to a high court. At worst, Susan, who has nothing better to do an a Wednesday afternoon, will put on a wig and decide if either you or the Police are right at your local courthouse.
 
Django x2 said:
lol, reign it in. This isn't ever going to go to a high court. At worst, Susan, who has nothing better to do an a Wednesday afternoon, will put on a wig and decide if either you or the Police are right at your local courthouse.
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At which point Kindai will be asked under oath

'did you nail the throttle whilst leaving Sainsburys'

:cry::cry:
 
Django x2 said:
lol, reign it in. This isn't ever going to go to a high court. At worst, Susan, who has nothing better to do an a Wednesday afternoon, will put on a wig and decide if either you or the Police are right at your local courthouse.
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I'm afraid you need to brush up on your law :) A section 59 warning has no built in appeal or review procedure. Accordingly if you intend to challenge it the only way to do that is to apply for Judicial Review, which, happens at the High Court.

Thats assuming the local plod want to uphold the warning :) Im betting the moment they open up the video evidence, they'll fold like wet paper.
 
kindai said:
I'm afraid you need to brush up on your law :) A section 59 warning has no built in appeal or review procedure. Accordingly if you intend to challenge it the only way to do that is to apply for Judicial Review, which, happens at the High Court.

Thats assuming the local plod want to uphold the warning :) Im betting the moment they open up the video evidence, they'll fold like wet paper.
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Were you asked to sign something, at the scene?
 
Trig said:
When you say video evidence, is this solely from the Police bodycams or is there another source?
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Bodycams
On board video from the cars
CCTV at Morrisons and KFC

Django x2 said:
Were you asked to sign something, at the scene?
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Yes, and refused stating that until I had time to read the documentation and check the relevant laws I wasnt happy to sign/accept it.
 
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