The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim announced

eggyoke said:
There is one thing that Besthesda MUST NOT DO...

PLEASE DONT MAKE IT A STEAM REQUIRED GAME!! My word, every game that requires a Steam account to use has been annoying as hell. Skyrim should have a open Console Command feature like the previous games had, for modding and testing and exploration. I dont want this canceled out because of some damn stupid Steam achievements.
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I swear ive read somewhere that starting with Fallout NV ALL Bethesda's games will use steamworks

Brink, Rage, Skyrim, Doom 4 and future release

We will know for sure in May when Brink comes out
if it uses steam exclusively then its pretty much certain that Skyrim and all the others will

:(

i like steam for the sales but tbh i would prefer the choice of a retail copy if possible
 
Sem said:
There is one thing that Besthesda MUST NOT DO...

PLEASE DONT MAKE IT A STEAM REQUIRED GAME!! My word, every game that requires a Steam account to use has been annoying as hell. Skyrim should have a open Console Command feature like the previous games had, for modding and testing and exploration. I dont want this canceled out because of some damn stupid Steam achievements.
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errm plenty of steam games have aq console, including ones with achievements like TF2, l4d1&2, hl2, cs:S, portal.

a console is a dev choice not steams choice and i have no idea why you think it is :/



We will know for sure in May when Brink comes out
if it uses steam exclusively then its pretty much certain that Skyrim and all the others will



i like steam for the sales but tbh i would prefer the choice of a retail copy if possible
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You are aware you can buy steam works games in shops?

"GAME" occasionally throw a little hissy fit after years of not really carrying pc games and now say they wont carry games that have steam works but seem to have lots tat battle.


But steam works retail just means you buy retail then can either just stick the key in steam an download or install from disk an patch.





Steam games not having a console and steam games not having retail discs have to be two of the weirdest steam myths I've seen :/
 
Tefal said:
You are aware you can buy steam works games in shops?

"GAME" occasionally throw a little hissy fit after years of not really carrying pc games and now say they wont carry games that have steam works but seem to have lots tat battle.


But steam works retail just means you buy retail then can either just stick the key in steam an download or install from disk an patch.

Steam games not having a console and steam games not having retail discs have to be two of the weirdest steam myths I've seen :/
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When i say "retail version" i mean you can install and play the game without using steam at all

im fully aware that you can buy steamworks games in retail shops my post didnt say you couldnt :confused:
 
Sem said:
When i say "retail version" i mean you can install and play the game without using steam at all

im fully aware that you can buy steamworks games in retail shops my post didnt say you couldnt :confused:
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i like steam for the sales but tbh i would prefer the choice of a retail copy if possible
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Steamworks games still have retail copies. You might have known what you meant, but it's obvious where the confusion came from.
 
Provided they are allowed the tools the modding community will save this game, they did the same for Oblivion.
Bethesda are great with marketing spin, Radiant AI? non scripted npcs lol anyone remember that promo video with the woman setting fire to the dog....i never saw anything even resembling that behaviour in game
 
While the reason for not having a command console might not be entirely due to Steamworks, I do think it makes it a much harder decision whether or not to put it in and alters just what the command console actually does for devs. I mean, if Skyrim is a Steamworks game and it has the Steam achievements. Then they're surely not going to allow the same open console that previous Elder Scroll games have had? Basically you could just openly cheat to get the achievements pretty much instantly (something of which I couldn't give a rats *** about personally, but people like these achievement things.)

This Steam thing DOES effect in-game consoles and editors.

Civilization V has no ingame on-the-fly World Editor like Civ4 had, which has completely ruined it for me. They did release a separate game builder through Steam, but its simply crap.

Also Total War Shogun 2 doesn't have a command console, which all previous TW games did. Shogun 2 is the first to use Steamworks.

With previous Elder Scrolls games, the command console has been completely open and free. From item spawning, stat altering, experience gaining, quest warping etc. These things influence my playtime in game. Its one of the reasons I spend so much time playing them along side player mods. I dont want this to change due to some stupid bloody security thing. It will seriously spoil the longevity of the game for me.
 
Oh come on, not giving an open console because 'people might cheat achievements' would be the lamest reason ever and i'm pretty sure Bethesda know that. Not only could you use the console to cheat your way through Fallout 3 achievements (and we all know gamerscore is life or death for some people) but people would find ways to bypass it anyway.

Where does it say they're not including an open console anyway? That would be farcicle as the console is what saves pc gamers from several bugs as they can just bypass it completely (like teleporting out of somewhere or setting the quest further on).
 
Oh it doesn't say it does. I was just fear mongering :p

If Fallout has an open cheat console then nevermind. I wasn't 100% sure. I'd still prefer it not to have Steamworks.
 
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orderoftheflame said:
Is that why all Valve games don't have any console? New Vegas? Oh wait....
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Sem said:
i didnt know valve made new vegas :p
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No that would be the reason they're 2 different sentences. Valve games? Yeah cos none of those have developer consoles... New Vegas? Bethesda's (well published) steamworks game that also had a console.

I'm not even sure what the hell you 2 are on about. 'Theoretically because its steamworks it won't have a developer console, i offer no proof or evidence of this ridiculous hypothesis mostly because all the evidence says i'm talking rubbish'.
That pretty much covers it i think.
 
Sem said:
i didnt know valve made new vegas :p
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I didn't say they did... It does however have a full console despite being Steamworks.

Every game Valve have released for PC is Steamworks yet they've always had a very accessible console.


Evilsod said:
I'm not even sure what the hell you 2 are on about. 'Theoretically because its steamworks it won't have a developer console, i offer no proof or evidence of this ridiculous hypothesis mostly because all the evidence says i'm talking rubbish'.
That pretty much covers it i think.
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I'd say it completely covers it. Nonsense claim.
 
shotgunshand said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8n1c3hsLZo

I'm really sorry if this has already been posted up but I thought this was great. They go through the trailer I've seen earlier in posts and really give you indepth info scene by scene.

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I hadnt seen that before thanks for posting that link :) , that snowy forest looks :eek:

Cant wait! The bit where hes aiming the bow at the wolf was cool as well.
 
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