The end of my 2500k :(

jigger · 29 Dec 2017 at 21:55

latency on the network stack can be tens times those numbers least. 60ms latency to server, 20 from a usb mouse, maybe more and god knows how many frames of latency from a TFT screen. Average persons hand eye response time 200-300ms. Digital cinema 24FPS. Analogue broadcast quality 30-35FPS.

It's strange no body mentions these issues, nobody praises the Killer NIC for gaming. If you can truly feel a difference and want low resolution 250Hz with lower latency than any other monitor then buy a CRT monitor and Killer NIC.

gavinh87 · 30 Dec 2017 at 00:50

That's because the killer NIC is generally regarded as being trash.

jigger · 30 Dec 2017 at 12:13

gavinh87 said:
That's because the killer NIC is generally regarded as being trash.

Because most people can't notice the difference regardless of the claims.

Back in the dial up days we matched modems to get a drop in latency but not many people could tell a drop of 15-30ms. Some of us could though.

gavinh87 · 30 Dec 2017 at 12:53

jigger said:
Because most people can't notice the difference regardless of the claims.

Back in the dial up days we matched modems to get a drop in latency but not many people could tell a drop of 15-30ms. Some of us could though.

There has been a few reviews done that show bog standard intel nics have better performance than the killer. Also in my experience the drivers/ software for the killer are awful but I digress.
Back to topic. 8700k if you play 144hz is the way to go. Otherwise ryzen will be ok.

wam7 · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:23

gavinh87 said:
...8700k if you play 144hz is the way to go. Otherwise ryzen will be ok.

This would also be my take on matters, with the generalisation that if you're rocking a 144hz monitor then you're probably more than just a casual gamer.

AiiR · 30 Dec 2017 at 23:44

I went Ryzen for a day and for gaming my 6700k is hands down better so I sold that off. My girlfriend has a 1600 in her build and for her it's perfectly adequate for gaming at 1440p 60hz and a massive upgrade from the i7 860 she had previously.

Depends entirely on your needs, but Intel definitely has the more powerful gaming chip. That said, I'd rather have a Ryzen 1600 and a 1080ti than an 8700k and a 1080.

wam7 · 31 Dec 2017 at 00:06

AiiR said:
Depends entirely on your needs, but Intel definitely has the more powerful gaming chip. That said, I'd rather have a Ryzen 1600 and a 1080ti than an 8700k and a 1080.

Once again this anecdotal info gives a good overview of the situation; the GPU will be the primary variable.

~>Dg<~ · 31 Dec 2017 at 00:13

well thats not the case.as the pubg benchmarks show.the 8700k and 1080 will be faster than the ryzen and the 1080ti.

it all depends what you play.the 8700k will be 20-30 fps im many games even at stock faster.so what you gain on the gpu you losing in modern games with the cpu.

if you buying a 1080 ti you wouldnt be rocking a ryzen anyway.especially a 1600.

if you gunna do that you might aswell get a i5 and still be faster than the ryzen for gaming all round.

AiiR · 31 Dec 2017 at 00:46

~>Dg<~ said:
well thats not the case.as the pubg benchmarks show.the 8700k and 1080 will be faster than the ryzen and the 1080ti.

it all depends what you play.the 8700k will be 20-30 fps im many games even at stock faster.so what you gain on the gpu you losing in modern games with the cpu.

if you buying a 1080 ti you wouldnt be rocking a ryzen anyway.especially a 1600.

if you gunna do that you might aswell get a i5 and still be faster than the ryzen for gaming all round.

Oh yeah, disregard everything, the single pubg benchmark has spoken.

If you're basing your build choice on pubg, you're doing it wrong. The i5 is still ~£100 more expensive than a 1600 and the motherboards are near double the price, so if you're gonna "do that" you can't match it with an i5 because thats a whole price tier ahead lol.

wam7 · 31 Dec 2017 at 01:12

~>Dg<~ said:
well thats not the case.as the pubg benchmarks show.the 8700k and 1080 will be faster than the ryzen and the 1080ti.

Come on, it's a generally accepted axiom that if you're gaming at 1440p and higher then your primary variable will be the GPU for the vast majority of games.

bakes0310 · 31 Dec 2017 at 07:18

So intel still have the best gaming chip by a large margin. I've been really impressed with amds comeback and was considering them for my next build. But if your a gamer then it's best still to stick to intel if it's just a gaming build with no streaming in the background etc.

Cooper · 31 Dec 2017 at 09:21

wam7 said:
Come on, it's a generally accepted axiom that if you're gaming at 1440p and higher then your primary variable will be the GPU for the vast majority of games.

Yes, but as GPU's get more powerful over the next 2-3yrs, the intel CPU will come into its own as the Ryzen gets left behind.

If you want to stay at the top end of framerates, you'll need to upgrade your Ryzen CPU long before you'll need to upgrade an Intel CPU.

Buy cheap, buy twice.

bainbridge · 31 Dec 2017 at 10:30

Well my 2500k was sitting at 4.6ghz without missing a beat until 6 mths ago when I had 2 BOSDs in succession.

.02v increase in voltage and been stable since!

~>Dg<~ · 31 Dec 2017 at 12:25

Cooper said:
Yes, but as GPU's get more powerful over the next 2-3yrs, the intel CPU will come into its own as the Ryzen gets left behind.

If you want to stay at the top end of framerates, you'll need to upgrade your Ryzen CPU long before you'll need to upgrade an Intel CPU.

Buy cheap, buy twice.

we have a winner this guy gets it !

why buy a ryzen x2 when you can still have faster performance for the whole period you have your pc ? with a intel cpu.it makes no sense in anyway apart from budget you cant move from.as to the person saying the i5 is 100 more.one hundred more over 3 years is 33 pound a year to have better performance.if you have a 1080ti you gunna be able to afford that.or you wouldnt have a 1080ti in the first place.you can try and shift the gate posts all you want there is no point in ryzen. not when a intel i5 and i7 is quicker.the funny thing is you touted about the pubg benchmark well even old i5s beat the ryzens. so the cost would be even cheaper than a new ryzen build. it makes no sense at all.

people do build pcs for one game.pubg is terrible on a eggbox.lows of 13 fps.it is the big game of now and should be for atleast a few years.so people will build a pc just for pubg.if your that guy or girl you want a intel cpu and nvidia gpu for the best performance.ryzen cpus are 20/30 fps down alone.then add in nvidia cards better than amd cards for pubg you got huge differences.its not close.

there is people in here with the top end ryzens who swapped to 8700ks because the performance is better.

bakes0310 · 31 Dec 2017 at 12:32

Good post DG. I haven't been following the performance difference between ryzen and coffeelake very closely. Surprised to see such a big gap in performance. The cost difference isn't big either, I would pick a i5 8600k over a ryzen if I needed a new build now. Shame really as I was rooting for amd to do well.

nft_99 · 31 Dec 2017 at 13:11

my 2500k (not overclocked! ) and Asus P8Z68 still going strong just over 5 years old but time to upgrade has been getting closer so been adding a few extra quid to my upgrade fund

PiKe · 31 Dec 2017 at 13:20

Buy another 2500k!

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/clearout-i5-ram-watercooling-bits-etc.18806604/

DereksDontRun · 31 Dec 2017 at 17:00

my 2500k @ 4.4 is still doing well, but the thoughts of upgrading seem to appear more and more frequently. But, i think that's more due to my old Gigabyte motherboard occasionally has a hissy fit on boot with its dualbios system. For most things/games the 2500k (with a 980ti) has been great to acceptable, so it certainly owes me nothing, for over 6 years of service. Is there any value in a 2nd hand oc'd 2500k with a sometimes flakey mobo? usually i seem to horde and keep my old pc bits, but I'm realising there's no use in keeping all my old parts, especially as I think I still have pre gtx570 era parts, which must be next to worthless these days. Do people freecycle old bits, or is just bin them?

DereksDontRun · 31 Dec 2017 at 17:07

4K8KW10 said:
i8700 won't last for another 6 years. You know upgrade path is forbidden for you.

why is the upgrade path forbidden for the new Coffee Lake chips? I understand that the Kaby Lake (and earlier chips) have limited upgrade options, but I thought Coffee Lake required a new chipset, and thus there could be some life and a chance that future chips could use the same chipset/motherboards? Have they announced the "new" z370/Coffee Lake mobos will only work with 8700/8600 i7s and i5s and nothing in the future?

4K8KW10 · 31 Dec 2017 at 18:28

DereksDontRun said:
why is the upgrade path forbidden for the new Coffee Lake chips?

Because someone at Intel decided that Z370 chipset will support 8th generation Core CPUs only.
For 9th generation Core processors, you will have Z390 or Z470.

DereksDontRun said:
I understand that the Kaby Lake (and earlier chips) have limited upgrade options, but I thought Coffee Lake required a new chipset, and thus there could be some life and a chance that future chips could use the same chipset/motherboards? Have they announced the "new" z370/Coffee Lake mobos will only work with 8700/8600 i7s and i5s and nothing in the future?

In the specifications of the motherboards, it is stated that they support 8th generation of Core. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z370-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC.html

Supports 8th Gen Intel® CoreTM / Pentium® Celeron® processors for LGA 1151 socket

For a comparison, AMD's X370 supports all Ryzen including future processors. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X370-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC.html

Supports AMD® RYZEN Series Processors and 7th Gen A-series / AthlonTM Processors for socket AM4