The England Cricket Thread

Dialup said:
Was it though?

If the openers had scored even 20 each Stokes would have been home and dry, they were more than capable of that and indeed have already proven so. I don't think talent is the issue, it's the inability to sometimes play the game slowly. There's nothing wrong with aggression and positive play and Stokes showed it can work but some more slow singles at the start would have made that doable.
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But their bowling was the reason the openers didn't score 20 each.
 
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But their bowling was the reason the openers didn't score 20 each.
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But good batsmen should be able to deal with good bowling, otherwise it's a catch 22.

If the idea of having Crawley in the team is to get some big scores on the board early he's failing in his duty to do that. I'd rather trade him out for a number 8 or 9 that can actually bat.
 
Dialup said:
I see this as exactly the same as stumping a player when you're bowling.

I would never do it when I bowl and I consider it rather bad form - but it's not actually against the rules. We had a similar case at a club game a few weeks back, we all thought it was bad conduct but the rules are the rules. Argue with the people making the rules.
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I think there's a good argument that it's worse than a Mankad. With a Mankad, you're preventing the non striker from taking liberties when backing up. Bairstow was clearly treating it as the end of the over and going to have a chat with Stokes.
 
manic111 said:
I think there's a good argument that it's worse than a Mankad. With a Mankad, you're preventing the non striker from taking liberties when backing up. Bairstow was clearly treating it as the end of the over and going to have a chat with Stokes.
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I disagree. In the Mankad you’re basically not concentrating on bowling and your job but going for a cheap wicket, I think it really brings the game down. It doesn’t take any skill or ability.

In this case it was quite canny. They’d noticed him doing it for the previous four deliveries. I think it was dosy batting if I am honest
 
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You guys have to drop Jimmie, I know he's a legend and I'm a big fan of his as well but he has offered nothing in the first two matches. Does England not have a full time spinner somewhere? I personally wouldn't drop Bairstow, he will be fired up now and a Stokes bairstow batting combo usually nets a good score in an ashes series.

For my boys Boland needs to be brought back in because he would be lethal with Stark, Labuschagne I'm not sure of as he hasnt been great. 3rd test is going to be spicy can't wait.
 
Dialup said:
So you’re thinking

Pope
Duckett

Opening?
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It seems more likely to me that Pope misses out with injury so Crawley and Duckett continue to open with Root back at 3. Dropping Crawley is a far tougher scenario in terms of replacements. None of the alternatives are great, which probably means he stays on.

And to the post above, Anderson out for Wood and keeping Tongue in the side would be my choice unless conditions at Headingley are very different. A couple of proper pace options would be a big help.
 
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What a comeback from the plucky Australian underdogs! I went to bed in despair, and woke up to amazing scenes! :eek:

Gutted that Stokes didn't get man of the match, no idea how Smith deserved it. :confused:

Cricinfo has some excellent commentary on that sublime stumping by Carey.

Mike Atherton, the former England captain, described the dismissal as "dozy cricket from Bairstow, and costly cricket".

Eoin Morgan was even more emphatic on the lunch time show. "I've been here since I was a 13-year-old and I'm looking at playing my whole career here, and I've never seen scenes like that, particularly in the long room nevermind all the way around the ground," he said.

"There was a huge sense of frustration but I can't understand why. it's complete naivety around what has happened with Jonny Bairstow's dismissal. [It was] 100% out. I was on comms with Mark Taylor and he called it exactly right. In the balls leading up to his dismissal, this is just complete naivety.

"The ball is not dead at any stage and Jonny Bairstow leaves his crease. He's obviously in his own little bubble, they are bowling short, bowling full, accurate bowling. Testing his defence. But you cannot do this, and it's actually really smart from Alex Carey recognising what is going on. Bairstow's in his own little world, and it's an opportunity to take a wicket"/
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There's also this, of course:

 
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