Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 452 45.0%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 553 55.0%
  • Total voters
    1,005
  • Poll closed .
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My position hasn't changed since the last poll. While firmly inclined to 'leave', I'm waiting .... and waiting, and waiting .... for some sensible debate to start and only then will decide if anything changes my mind. But all the stupid stat-swapping, name-calling and project fear hoopla is only good for ignoring.

Maybe, just maybe, sensible debate will start when official in and out campaign group are chosen. Maybe.
 
I was in to begin with but with the "deal" and the fact its not clear that no reform will ever happen and that no lessons have been learned from letting in counteies like Bulgaria and Romania with the obvious steps to get reqdy for turkey joining im now out.

I have the feeling our leaving with have a domino effect and hopefuly after that we can pick up the peices with lessons learned and in a few ywars make a second go of it without the stupid desperate rush to expand
 
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I've always been strongly out but with the proviso that we keep free trade agreements already in place. Since there has been a lot of work done by the politicians telling us what will happen if we stay and nothing done to give a clear picture of what will happen if we leave then it is becoming a difficult choice for me. Ultimately I'll probably vote out and live with the uncertainty.
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Here's how it will work and the consequences.


https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ile/503908/54538_EU_Series_No2_Accessible.pdf

Btw it's not project fear but to expect the UK to leave and be able to cherry pick the best parts of EU law and trade agreements is naive at best.
 
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jas72 said:
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oh dear not this old myth again :rolleyes:

http://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/the-eu-accounts-have-never-been-signed-off/
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From that link I had a look at this bit of evidence and was shocked to read:

Estimated level of error remains persistently above the materiality threshold of 2%
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It seems that 4.4% of the EU's expenditure budget is estimated to in error - that's a huge amount. Also, I'm concerned by the auditor's use of the word 'persistently'. Why haven't the EU been able to reduce this level of error? Do they even want to?

Edit: oh and before someone comes in and says these errors are OK and nothing to worry about because the EU is clever and we're not:

Our estimate of the level of error is not a measure of fraud, inefficiency or waste. It is an estimate of the money that should not have been paid out because it was not used in accordance with the applicable rules and regulations. Typical errors include payments for expenditure which was ineligible or for purchases without proper application of public purchasing rules.

Fraud is an act of deliberate deception to gain a benefit. We report suspected fraud cases detected during our audit work to OLAF, the European Union’s anti-fraud office, which investigates and follows up as necessary in cooperation with authorities in the Member States. Out of the some 1 200 transactions that we assessed for legality and regularity during the 2014 audit, we found 22 instances of suspected fraud (2013: 14) which we forwarded to OLAF. The most frequent instances of suspected fraud concerned declaration of costs not meeting the eligibility criteria, followed by cases of conflict of interest and other irregularities in procurement as well as the artificial creation of conditions to be eligible to receive a subsidy. During the year, we also have cases of suspected fraud that arise from work not related to the statement of assurance.
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I'm still quite undecided.

On one hand, i worry about the future immigration aspects. Free movement for all of those 1million immigrants in Germany. Then if/when (it's only a matter of time) Turkey joins the EU, eventually that will mean the millions of migrants that now live in Turkey will eventually be eligible for an EU passport.

On the other hand, the increased costs of leaving the EU will be inevitable, even if it's only short term 5-10 years. There is no doubt that it will cost us more as a single state, as trade agreements take time to set up.

Also i wouldn't be a fan of having to apply for Visa's to travel into Europe, especially if countries within the EU eventually decide to null the shengen agreement.
 
Anyone got a TLDR summary of reasons to stay / reasons to leave?
From what I have seen in the new its all opinionated and nothing backed up with facts.
 
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Also i wouldn't be a fan of having to apply for Visa's to travel into Europe, especially if countries within the EU eventually decide to null the shengen agreement.
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I think it's very unlikely you'll need a visa to travel to Europe if we leave. A visa to work, sure, but a visa to travel? Nah. At worst you might need an apply-on-entry visa in the same manner as travelling to New Zealand but I think even that is unlikely.

Have a look at the map on this Wikipedia page and you'll see how many countries outside the EU we can visit without visas; I can't see the EU deciding to impose visas on UK citizens even if we are stupid enough to vote for Brexit. At worst, there might be a gap between when we leave and we get new arrangements in place.
 
Hiijinx said:
Anyone got a TLDR summary of reasons to stay / reasons to leave?
From what I have seen in the new its all opinionated and nothing backed up with facts.
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Yeah the facts are questionable on both sides.
So it's more about your gut - do you trust the EU to do the best for the UK? vs do you trust the Government to do the best for the UK?
 
billysielu said:
Yeah the facts are questionable on both sides.
So it's more about your gut - do you trust the EU to do the best for the UK? vs do you trust the Government to do the best for the UK?
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Not just the current government, but all future UK governments against all future EU governments as well.
 
billysielu said:
Yeah the facts are questionable on both sides.
So it's more about your gut - do you trust the EU to do the best for the UK? vs do you trust the Government to do the best for the UK?
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The key point being we can regularly vote to get rid of the UK government if we don't like what they are doing.
 
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