Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[John40]

Under Article 42 the formation of an EU Army would have to be agreed by all 28 members states.

We have a Veto.

As a condition of opting out of ever closer union it has been said we'll have to forgo our veto.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/02/britain-eu-veto-opt-out-david-cameron

David Cameron has been told by an influential German MEP that Britain will need to forfeit its veto in European Union decision-taking if it wants to be exempted from the EU’s definition as an “ever closer union”.

I also think if we were the only country not to want an EU army we would never use the veto.

 

[scorza]

I think that it is obvious to all that the reasons for the prominent EU and USA figures nay saying Britains exit are not out of feelings for the future of the UK but are based on their own economic issues.

Britain as a nett contributor will mean that both France and Germany will pay substantially more and the benefits accrued by the other EU countries (states) will be less.

The USA Fed. has delayed a rise in interest rates amid fears that a UK exit will damage the USA economy.

So crocodile tears all around Obama, Merkel, Clinton, Hollande et al. I still think that the UK will do very well in whichever circumstance. I do believe that a UK exit from the EU makes good economic sense for the UK.

I rather think the US establishment's desire for the UK to stay in the UK is more geo-political than economic. They're worried about the direction the EU will take, especially the influence the Kremlin can exert over the EU through member states like Greece and Cyprus. The US wants us in so that they know what's going on in Brussels (Kremlin gets this info by bugging all the phones lol) and to use our much-vaunted influence to turn Brussels to the Atlanticist way of thinking.

All very well but I wish our government would put the UK and British citizens first, over US national interests.

 

[davewhite04]

She is a nobody as in the public dont know who she is.

All thats happened it she will be offered a ministerial post to swap sides.

I tried to say this, but you did it better.

 

[glenimp617]

All very well but I wish our government would put the UK and British citizens first, over US national interests.

That was the deal after WW2

 

[davewhite04]

I rather think the US establishment's desire for the UK to stay in the UK is more geo-political than economic. They're worried about the direction the EU will take, especially the influence the Kremlin can exert over the EU through member states like Greece and Cyprus. The US wants us in so that they know what's going on in Brussels (Kremlin gets this info by bugging all the phones lol) and to use our much-vaunted influence to turn Brussels to the Atlanticist way of thinking.

All very well but I wish our government would put the UK and British citizens first, over US national interests.

Obama won't be president early next year. I have a feeling Trump will be, so we could have a bigger problem, he has said that the UK should exit the EU however.

 

[Dark Light]

Nice numbers: 1000 votes with 600 to leave and 400 to remain.

 

[George Hincapie]

That is a completely different issue though.

Can you separate it though really? If you are looking at the issue as a whole? I'd suggest not.

 

[Mr Jack]

As a condition of opting out of ever closer union it has been said we'll have to forgo our veto.

We're giving up the veto on stopping Eurozone countries doing things that help them sort out the Eurozone. Given we're not in the Eurozone, and it doesn't directly effect us, in would be in very poor form for us to veto that anyway.

 

[Mr Jack]

I didn't see him say anything about wanting to stay in the EU during his leadership campaign? I'd be very interested if you have a link to hand.

It was from a question he was asked when he was doing a session in Leicester, and I think he also said similar things at the hustings in Nottingham. I was there and heard it in person but I don't know whether it's online anywhere you can check.

 

[Adnams Drinker]

One thing I can tell you about this referendum is that it has shown that the large majority of our politicians are spineless, deceitful scumbags. I don't think I've ever held the political establishment in such low regard as I do now. They truly are the lowest of the low. Worse than a PPI Lawyer with a part time job as an Estate Agent.

Turncoats won't be forgotten about by their constituents but then the likes of Mercer and Wollaston have probably been promised peerages or other cushy jobs so don't care.

Career before principles and convictions is the order of the day. Corbyn and BoJo being two the most prominent examples but neither seem to be getting much flak for it?

I have my more considered, rational reasons for wanting to leave the EU, but giving the establishment a kick in the nuts is a bonus IMO.

Absolutely spot on.

It's extremely 'tinfoil hat' I know, but I have a nagging suspicion in the back of my mind that this whole referendum thing is a massive charade and the whole thing has already been fixed. Virtually every 'administrative error' in this campaign - voting cards being sent to non-eligible individuals as an example - has been to the potential advantage of the Remain camp. We're told that those individuals won't be allowed to vote on the day, but who will police that to ensure it happens?

Add the Conservative Party's shenanigans at the last election (okay, not yet proven in a court of law, but you'd be a fool to bet that it didn't happen deliberately) and how easily the postal vote system can be abused into the mix ... and there you have either a pattern of behaviour or a string of coincidences that has alarm bells ringing for a cynical git like me.

The behaviour of both sides has done nothing to lessen that cynicism - you literally do not know who is telling the truth or is saying something they don't believe in order to make their way further up the greasy pole. I mainly aim that at Conservative MPs known to be Eurosceptic - Sajid Javed for one - who suddenly underwent a St-Paul-on-the-road-to-Damascus-type conversion once the battle lines were drawn, but it applies equally to the likes of Boris Johnson.

 

[Hagar]

We're giving up the veto on stopping Eurozone countries doing things that help them sort out the Eurozone. Given we're not in the Eurozone, and it doesn't directly effect us, in would be in very poor form for us to veto that anyway.

But unfortunately it does affect us, directly and indirectly. We are not in the Eurozone, but it affects the strength of the EU and individual states within the Eurozone who are our trading partners. If the UK perceives bad decisions or policies being proposed for the Eurozone, it should be able to put a hold on them.

 

[B&W]

The mere idea of Brexit has made the pound weaker, what will happen if it really goes ahead? Do we really want to take such a gamble.

 

[Skunkworks]

Yeah.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

The mere idea of Brexit has made the pound weaker, what will happen if it really goes ahead? Do we really want to take such a gamble.

It will drop until referendum day, then probably the drop will slow down, stabilise then return to normal, regardless of the referendum result.

Nothing will change short term so the only thing really affecting the £ significantly when it comes to the referendum is how unsure people are on what will happen. As confidence in the currencies future drops, the currencies worth will drop, then people will realise nothing has changed and will go back. We wont see the effects of the referendum result on the pound till things start to happen which will likely be several years from now.

 

[scorza]

The mere idea of Brexit has made the pound weaker, what will happen if it really goes ahead? Do we really want to take such a gamble.

Yep. I'll take the chance of success over the certainty of slow failure every time.

 

[balky12]

The mere idea of Brexit has made the pound weaker, what will happen if it really goes ahead? Do we really want to take such a gamble.

It's dropping because of uncertainty, not because people think brexit will happen.

Whatever the outcome it will normalise. As has already been said.

 

[Burnsy2023]

It's dropping because of uncertainty, not because people think brexit will happen.

Whatever the outcome it will normalise. As has already been said.

Yes, but Brexit brings a sustained period of uncertainty as what happens next is ironed out. It will settle but it could be many years of volatility.

 

[eatcustard]

Yes, but Brexit brings a sustained period of uncertainty as what happens next is ironed out. It will settle but it could be many years of volatility.

But worth it, I say

The EU is a basket case and is failing and it needs our money to keep it going, thats not acceptable.

 

[Mr Jack]

But unfortunately it does affect us, directly and indirectly. We are not in the Eurozone, but it affects the strength of the EU and individual states within the Eurozone who are our trading partners. If the UK perceives bad decisions or policies being proposed for the Eurozone, it should be able to put a hold on them.

Sounds like an argument for Remain to me.

 

[Roar87]

The mere idea of Brexit has made the pound weaker, what will happen if it really goes ahead? Do we really want to take such a gamble.

How has that affected your life so far?