Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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RaohNS said:
But is not democratically accountable or inclusive of fairness to individual nation states.

It wont reform itself in the way many envisage, it has too much power and gives others suzerainty who are not in any way shape or form accountable. If enough agree? No if all agree.

I met a second remainer today... That was until she spoke to me for ten minutes and is now firmly voting out :D
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Our current parliament in the UK is not democratically accountable or inclusive of fairness to individual constituencies. You get the same complaint about the Federal government in the US and it's relationship to the individual states.

Which bit of the EU is undemocratic? The Parliament is directly elected by member state citizens. The European Council is made up of the heads of the governments of member states (so also elected). The Council of the European union is made up of the national ministers from member countries for whatever it's meeting on (so again elected members). The European Commission is made of of 28 people, 1 assigned by the government of each member country, so appointed by elected people.

It's not looking that undemocratic to me.
 
B&W said:
The mere idea of Brexit has made the pound weaker, what will happen if it really goes ahead? Do we really want to take such a gamble.
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It seems to me that in the event of the UK voting to leave the EU, the UK is likely to experience a short-term slowdown in growth, but not a recession. This would be almost certainly due to increased uncertainty and countering that would be central for policy makers. Into the medium to long term, the most likely outcome is that the UK economy would grow at around the OECD average, which is arguably around 2%, or a touch lower given the current state of things. If someone thinks the UK would grow well below trend, then they need to say why. Over the last decade, the EU has hardly been a paragon of economic power: The US economy has comprehensively outperformed the EU. There are risks to staying in the EU too, especially more Euro-fueled turbulence.
The prospect of a short-term reduction in growth is no reason upon which to vote to stay in. It is the medium to long term that is more important. Leaving the EU will give the UK the opportunity to realign with the emerging market economies and offer them greater access to the financial capital of the World: London.

The issue of democratic accountability is central I think.
EU Commissioners are not democratically accountable, and that a few years ago reform to make them democratically accountable was strictly ruled out should cause anyone who values modern liberal democracy a great deal of concern. It took the people centuries to get the vote and just look how easily it’s signed away. Democratic accountability of the executive is tough enough to exercise as it is, without the unaccountable Commission. We are being told sticking with a system of increasing democratic unaccountability is ‘good for economic growth’. Only problem is that flies in the face of history. Greater democratic accountability is good for growth, and given the choice we have, this can only be achieved by a vote to leave the EU. If the EU was just a free trade alliance, then it would easy to vote to remain. But it is not. I wish it were otherwise, but I will vote to leave.
 
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In my area there's several houses on every street with a Remain poster in the window. I've seen more posters supporting Bernie Sanders (1) than Leave!
 
:D This is the sort of thing our most vocal Remainers say with a straight face.

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bam0 said:
Our current parliament in the UK is not democratically accountable or inclusive of fairness to individual constituencies. You get the same complaint about the Federal government in the US and it's relationship to the individual states.

Which bit of the EU is undemocratic? The Parliament is directly elected by member state citizens. The European Council is made up of the heads of the governments of member states (so also elected). The Council of the European union is made up of the national ministers from member countries for whatever it's meeting on (so again elected members). The European Commission is made of of 28 people, 1 assigned by the government of each member country, so appointed by elected people.

It's not looking that undemocratic to me.
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I've already tried to explain this. It's no use.

The system is a bit of a fudge, but it's unfair and complete wrong to call it undemocratic.

The fudge exists because EU member states can't agree on or don't want a "better", fully directly elected system. National governments still want a foot in the door. Veto's still exist because states (especially the UK) don't want majority voting on the big issues.

In short, the system we have is the system we want.
 
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Skunkworks said:
Every Youtube vid about the EU Ref has comments section full of pro Brexiters. It’s very rare to see pro Remain comments.
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same as a lot of places..
legend has it that old people will vote out and young people will vote in, but its not old people that are making all these pro brexit comments on youtube, its the younger folk
 
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