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Are you saying theirs no consequences or negatives to open borders ?
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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Are you saying theirs no consequences or negatives to open borders ?
You didn't vote for David Cameron, you voted for your local MP. An MP that could defect to another party. It was the Conservative Party who decided on Cameron as its leader.
You also didn't get any say in: our head of state, our second house or who fills which cabinet position.
We have the 5th largest economy and a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. Our intelligence services are second to none. Of course we can play in that arena - we always have done, are doing and will continue to do so.
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Worlds 5th largest economy, member of UN Sec council, etc
It's cute that you think we'll have more influence as 1/28th of the EU, with influence diminishing even further as more countries join the sinking ship...a ship Germany is the Captain of...
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I'd assumed it was obvious, obviously not - Worlds 5th biggest economy, UN sec council etc
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Anyone else notice how obtuse the remainers have got?
Why do you think that Germany which is 1/28th of the EU is captain of the ship, but think that the UK which is also 1/28th of the EU, has the EU's second most powerful military, second largest economy and third largest population has no influence?
Pot, kettle.
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I've explained my argument, now tell me how we have more influence as 1/28th of a German dominated EU?
We don't have open borders, we have free movement, it's not the same thing.
Pedantry aside: I don't think there are downsides to free movement with the EU for the UK. We benefit from the enormous freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU, and we benefit from EU migration boosting our economy and helping our exchequer. It's probably more of a problem for countries like Poland.
I doubt it as well. I think within 5 years of Leaving the EU we'll have overtaken Germany.
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And this is based on the last time the EU's 2nd largest contributer left?
We don't. I never said we did
My point is that whilst we might be the 5th largest economy in the world right now, that has been built upon and manifested as a result of being part of the EU and in turn, the rest of the world via the EU. We've got into the position we are in by being a part of that.
Leaving what has given us this advantage to 'go it alone' has already caused rifts economically and we haven't even left yet. The repercussions will be much more long term and I very much doubt the UK would remain anywhere near the 5th largest economy what with having to renegotiate trade deals with individual countries etc. It's delusional to think that we'd have anywhere near as much influence as we do in the EU if we were out.
good one.
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We can't even control our own borders and you're talking about influence within the EU?
Germany can't dominate the EU. It's only 1/28th so has little influence.
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Forgot to mention
OUT
Cons.
Money Markets will hammer the pound on leaving as they do not care about Brexit, Exit or Weetabix
only how they can make a profit from the situation.(Similar to ERM exit)
BofE needs to prop up pound using rate rises and reserves.
Cost of Borrowing rises making repayments more expensive.
Surge in house repossessions as people not able to afford the repayments at higher rates.
Balance of Payments crisis probable
As Brexit is a big leap into the unknown will we really be better off?
"The Commission has the legislative initiative. However, under the Treaty of Maastricht enhanced by the Lisbon Treaty, the European Parliament has a right of legislative initiative that allows it to ask the Commission to submit a proposal."
Similarly how when MPs bring a bill to Parliament they haven't written it themselves, it was those UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS in the civil service.
The EP can amend any legislation they receive from the commission, as as obviously reject it. The EP can also dissolve the commission or force individual commissioners to resign. It's a weird nuance of the way the EU works that they have the legislative initiative, but they aren't some body imposing laws on the rest of the EU.
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Forgot to mention
OUT
Cons.
Money Markets will hammer the pound on leaving as they do not care about Brexit, Exit or Weetabix
(Similar to ERM exit)
BofE needs to prop up pound using rate rises and reserves.
Cost of Borrowing rises making repayments more expensive.
Surge in house repossessions as people not able to afford the repayments at higher rates.
Balance of Payments crisis probable
As Brexit is a big leap into the unknown will we really be better off?
The dead walking the earth again.
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We don't. I never said we did
My point is that whilst we might be the 5th largest economy in the world right now, that has been built upon and manifested as a result of being part of the EU and in turn, the EU with the rest of the world. We've got into the position we are in by being a part of that.
Leaving what has given us this advantage to 'go it alone' has already caused rifts economically and we haven't even left yet. The repercussions will be much more long term and I very much doubt the UK would remain anywhere near the 5th largest economy what with having to renegotiate trade deals with individual countries etc. It's delusional to think that we'd have anywhere near as much influence as we do in the EU if we were out.
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