Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Darujhistan said:
We're in this position to begin with because of Imperialism and the Industrial Revolution - you know when we looked beyond Europe and controlled our own destiny. Looking outward allowed us to punch well above our weight for centuries and continues to do so.
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Imperialism? Industrial Revolution? The world has moved on slightly since then. This is just highlighting the fact that you are looking at this from an archaic perspective.

The EU as an entity is significantly more recent than that era and the UK's present economic position and in the time it has been part of the EU is what is relevant here - not a bygone age of greatness. To believe that these historic events are relevant to our current economic position is no more ridiculous than believing a Roman army will come and conquer all because they did it in the past.
 
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Six6siX said:
Imperialism? Industrial Revolution? The world has moved on slightly since then. This is just highlighting the fact that you are looking at this from an archaic perspective.

The EU as an entity is significantly more recent than that era and the UK's present economic position in the time it has been part of the EU is what is relevant here - not a bygone age of greatness. To believe that these historic events are relevant to our current economic position is no more ridiculous than believing a Roman army will come and conquer all because they did it in the past.
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Has it? Seems Imperialism is alive and well to me but in other forms, cultural and economic for ex and Tech is hardly standing still is it...

Those Historical factors are the basis for our current World standing, not the EU. Here's another powerful factor - our language, we had that a bit before the EU was set up too.

The declining EU you mean? The EU that is falling apart at the seams, the undemocratic EU?

How much influence do we have on our own borders within the EU, isn't that the very basis of sovereignty and being a nation state?

Makes me laugh when people talk about influence when we can't even decide who comes to live here...

What did we spend millions and millions of lives for over hundreds of years to protect? - Our sovereign independence.
 
Six6siX said:
Imperialism? Industrial Revolution? The world has moved on slightly since then. This is just highlighting the fact that you are looking at this from an archaic perspective.

The EU as an entity is significantly more recent than that era and the UK's present economic position and in the time it has been part of the EU is what is relevant here - not a bygone age of greatness. To believe that these historic events are relevant to our current economic position is no more ridiculous than believing a Roman army will come and conquer all because they did it in the past.
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I would have thought it is self evident that part of current economic power is a continuation of our imperial and industrial revolution success.
Most large cities in the UK bear the hallmarks of our imperial past, just look at the building in Bristol, Leeds, Manchester, London, Cardiff, Glasgow etc. The UK rail network is only an upgraded version of the one we inherited from the Victorians. The intellectual capital is built on Universities with histories up to 500 years old. Significant players in banking are only conglomerations of banks upto 200 years old and our other services like law are all based on institutions set up during the industrial revolution or before.
Our entry into the EU coincided with our resurgence as an economy but was not the cause.
 
Suppose that the Brexit vote comes in on the 23rd and DC invokes article 50

People are saying that he'd have to go.

I'm a bit worried that people might end up voting leave, for no other reason than to oust him, not that I particularly like DC - but if that did happen, who would replace him? would we have another general election this year or something? :confused:
 
PlacidCasual said:
I would have thought it is self evident that part of current economic power is a continuation of our imperial and industrial revolution success.
Most large cities in the UK bear the hallmarks of our imperial past, just look at the building in Bristol, Leeds, Manchester, London, Cardiff, Glasgow etc. The UK rail network is only an upgraded version of the one we inherited from the Victorians. The intellectual capital is built on Universities with histories up to 500 years old. Significant players in banking are only conglomerations of banks upto 200 years old and our other services like law are all based on institutions set up during the industrial revolution or before.
Our entry into the EU coincided with our resurgence as an economy but was not the cause.
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I agree, I don't believe the EU was the cause - I've never said that. The continuation of our previous success has been realised as part of the EU but the way in which we reached our greatness in the past doesn't apply anymore - the world has moved on.

What I'm saying is that the periods in time being mentioned are no longer relevant and whilst they may have helped shape the UK in the past, our strong position now, in the current economic climate, is as part of the EU.
 
Screeeech said:
Suppose that the Brexit vote comes in on the 23rd and DC invokes article 50

People are saying that he'd have to go.

I'm a bit worried that people might end up voting leave, for no other reason than to oust him, not that I particularly like DC - but if that did happen, who would replace him? would we have another general election this year or something? :confused:
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I think a early election is pretty much nailed on regardless of result, I'm getting more confident of a leave vote
 
ReltonBFD said:
If the British public vote for it, what's the problem
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for a start direct democracy doesn't work and we don't have direct democracy.
secondly how is the public voting for it? the chance of an election is slim. the chance of people voting for those specific parts of a manifesto are slim.

Locky said:
You sure?
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pretty much, the chances are extremely high if it went that way.
Tories are more right wing and more authoritarian then they have been in a long time. with no restrictions on what they could do. workers, consumers and every other right is likely to be dismantled. under the vein of helping reduce the economic crash we would see,
 
It would be really funny if next week Brexit group start using the "vote out to oust David Cameron".

I'd lol at the pollster response... infact that might make labour voters vote even more so for exit.
 
Glaucus said:
for a start direct democracy doesn't work and we don't have direct democracy.
secondly how is the public voting for it? the chance of an election is slim. the chance of people voting for those specific parts of a manifesto are slim.
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So you've talked **** basically, this obsession that Boris is going into number 10 armed with a blow torch to burn everyone's rights, it's tideous , it wouldn't be possible to remove any workers rights, paternity rights and annual leave rights in a 2016 UK
 
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