Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Crazy that number though. You could buy a few Ferrari Enzo's and still have loads. I couldn't even imagine 1 million let alone 165. Imagine the interest.
 
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bayo000 said:
Yup. In my opinion the most accurate polls would be the earliest one. For example I don't think I bothered to vote here since the very first thread back in Jan or Feb.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini..._referendum#Standard_polling_on_EU_membership

Plenty have showed leave in the lead.

For reference, here are the polls for the Scottish referendum. Totally different spread of results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014#2014


The ORB poll today is significant because of the scale of the swing, its the first poll to put any side this far ahead since Purda, and ORB has predicted remain in front more times than leave

CaptainRAVE said:
I have decided, leave :)
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Welcome to the party :D
 
County said:
Again. The EU is a Neoliberal capitalist ideology. It absolutely destroys democracy and imposes austerity never before seen.

It will continue regardless of whether we remain or not. We have no chance of reformation and the true left MPs (who i have named) all know this to be the case.

We therefore have to look after our own people in a truly socialist society. You think the austerity is bad from the Tories???? Just look at Greece, all due to this political ideology you seem to hail.
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Ok then let's talk Greece.

They voted out austerity and vote in the anti-austerity, yet the are still in the Euro and still accepting bailouts, why is that?

They seemed to enjoy a decade of free money and keeping 92% of the earns unreported, they also lied to the rest of Europe about their debts.

I don't think the austerity measures are the best way forward and clearly offering them a much longer repayment term (say 100 years) would be more beneficial to all, but their overspending prior to 2008 and abject failure to have any form of revenue taxation led them to this point. :(
 
jas72 said:
Ok then let's talk Greece.

They voted out austerity and vote in the anti-austerity, yet the are still in the Euro and still accepting bailouts, why is that?

They seemed to enjoy a decade of free money and keeping 92% of the earns unreported, they also lied to the rest of Europe about their debts.

I don't think the austerity measures are the best way forward and clearly offering them a much longer repayment term (say 100 years) would be more beneficial to all, but their overspending prior to 2008 and abject failure to have any form of revenue taxation led them to this point. :(
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They've lost 1/3rd of the economy and have chronic unemployment and civil unrest.
 
He jabs at a graph. “If, as David Cameron suggested, they imposed a tariff of 10 per cent on us, we will do the same in return. We buy more from Europe than they buy from us, so we would be the net beneficiary and based on these numbers it would bring £10bn into the UK annually. Added to our net EU contribution, it would make us around £18.5bn better off each year if we left the EU,” he concludes with quiet triumph.
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Oh dear. What poor understanding of tariffs.

Tariffs are a tax on your own people. A 10% import tariff will be passed on to the people importing the product.

For example, fuel duty is effectively an import tariff on petrol/diesel. Who do you think pays for that? So given that the UK imports a lot from the EU, that would be expensive for UK consumers and businesses.

The EU have the same issue for UK exports, but they import less (as mentioned) and have the rest of the EU to seek for tariff free alternatives.
 
muon said:
Oh dear. What poor understanding of tariffs.

Tariffs are a tax on your own people. A 10% import tariff will be passed on to the people importing the product.

For example, fuel duty is effectively an import tariff on petrol/diesel. Who do you think pays for that? So given that the UK imports a lot from the EU, that would be expensive for UK consumers and businesses.

The EU have the same issue for UK exports, but they import less (as mentioned) and have the rest of the EU to seek for tariff free alternatives.
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The idea is that people would stop buying the goods as prices increase and look at alternatives in the market form which we have lower tariffs. Trade tariffs are ******* stupid and should be scrapped world wide to be honest.
 
dante6491 said:
The idea is that people would stop buying the goods as prices increase and look at alternatives in the market form which we have lower tariffs. Trade tariffs are ******* stupid and should be scrapped world wide to be honest.
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Except we don't have tariff free deals with the US and other developed nations. Nor are we guaranteed a tariff free deal in the years it will take to negotiate.

The UK could potentially end up being the only European country without a tariff free agreement with both the US and the EU.
 
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Dyson does have some reasonable points there - in particular:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...if-we-leave-the-eu-no-one-will-trade-with-us/

He says the much-trumpeted single market isn’t really a single market at all. “They have different languages which, for an exporter, means that everything from the box to the instruction manual has to be in a different language. The plugs are different. The laws are different. It’s not a single market. The only communality is that there’s no tariff, but the pound going up against the euro is far more damaging than any tariff. If the pound rises, £100 milion is quickly wiped off.”

The problem with the EU’s free movement of people is that it doesn’t bring Dyson the brilliant boffins he needs. “We’re not allowed to employ them, unless they’re from the EU. At the moment, if we want to hire a foreign engineer, it takes four and a half months to go through the Home Office procedure. It’s crazy.”

He produces another staggering fact. “Sixty per cent of engineering undergraduates at British universities are from outside the EU, and 90 per cent of people doing research in science and engineering at British universities are from outside the EU. And we chuck them out!” He gives a trodden-puppy yelp.
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this is party due to immigration targets which have had to be tighten even more (despite being rather futile) thanks to uncontrolled EU immigration, a more efficient points based system and allowing graduates of UK universities to stay on would be quite useful
 
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muon said:
Except we don't have tariff free deals with the US and other developed nations. Nor are we guaranteed a tariff free deal in the years it will take to negotiate.

The UK could potentially end up being the only European country without a tariff free agreement with both the US and the EU.
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so what? It doesn't stop us from trading with the US at the moment...
 
Moses said:
Except he undermines his own credibility by peddling guff such as,



Ne-naw ne-naw, straw man alert.
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you could probably say the same thing about most commentators on brexit whether for or against - both sides seem to revel in constructing straw men on behalf of the other
 
Zethor said:
IN majorities:

Scientists - check
Economists - check
World leaders - check
Financial institutions - check
Businesses - check

And now, Nobel winners - check

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36505736
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Nobel prize means nothing now. But lets look at some of them.

Bert Tolkamp and Marie Haskell winners
"First, that the longer a cow has been lying down, the more likely that cow will soon stand up; and second, that once a cow stands up, you cannot easily predict how soon that cow will lie down again" :D

Winner for the peace prize is
Alexander Lukashenko, president of Belarus, for making it illegal to applaud in public, AND to the Belarus State Police, for arresting a one-armed man for applauding. :D

And the Psychology prize goes to...
Anita Eerland and Rolf Zwaan for their study "Leaning to the Left Makes the Eiffel Tower Seem Smaller.

And not don't forget the Literature prize went to
The US Government General Accountability Office, for issuing a report about reports about reports that recommends the preparation of a report about the report about reports about reports.
 
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