Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%

  • Total voters
    1,759
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It'd take a swing of some 6,000 votes to get rid of Boris in Uxbridge. I estimate you'd need to get about 3,000,000 UKIP voters to switch to someone else to get rid of Farage. Big names can be removed under our system - just ask Michael Portillo or Ed Balls.

this is why i'd like a none of the above option that prevents any of those candidates running again that election.

to alow voters to remove MPs.
 
you mean since the UK and France attained nuclear weapons?

yeah i think the threat of nuclear destruction worked better than the EU.

It may well have done and equally, if that was the case, then with reference to the original post I was replying to, it would be foolish to argue that the threat of war over sovereignty is a case to leave the EU, no?
 
How many European Civil wars have we had while in the EU?

The argument isn't that sovereignty doesn't matter, but the way in which it is perceived and implemented needs to change because the world is no longer as segregated as it once was.

1970–1984 Unrest in Italy
1972 Bugojno group
1972–1973 Second Cod War
1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus
1975–1976 Third Cod War
1988–1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
1989 Romanian Revolution
1990–1991 Soviet attacks on Lithuanian border posts
1991 January Events
1991 The Barricades
1991 Ten-Day War (Slovenia)
1991–1992 Georgian war against Russo-Ossetian alliance
1991–1993 Georgian Civil War
1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence
1992 Transnistria War
1992 East Prigorodny Conflict
1992–1993 First Georgian war against Russo-Abkhazian alliance
1992–1995 Bosnian War
1993 Cherbourg incident
1993 Russian constitutional crisis
1994–1996 First Chechen War
1997 Albanian civil war of 1997
1998–1999 Kosovo War
1998–present Dissident Irish Republican campaign
1998 Second Georgian war against Russian-Abkhazian alliance
1999 War of Dagestan
1999–2009 Second Chechen War
1999–2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley

21st century

2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia
2002 Perejil Island crisis
2004–2013 Unrest in Kosovo
2004 unrest in Kosovo
2008 unrest in Kosovo
2011–2013 North Kosovo crisis
2004 Georgia, Adjara crisis
2006 Georgia, Kodori crisis
2007–2015 Civil war in Ingushetia
2008 Russia–Georgia war
2009–present Insurgency in the North Caucasus
2013–2014 Euromaidan and pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine
2014 Crimean crisis
2014–present War in Donbass
2015 Kumanovo clashes
 
It may well have done and equally, if that was the case, then with reference to the original post I was replying to, it would be foolish to argue that the threat of war over sovereignty is a case to leave the EU, no?

with the EU wanting to include a member state that was recently annexed by Russia?

+no, that makes it a pretty damn valid point.

if Ukraine joins will the EU be obliged to provide military support against Russia?:

cause nuclear powers going into direct confrontation does not seem sensible.
 
Why are Vote Leave producing what they are calling a "legal framework" for parliament post EU, given that they have no power to do so?

Probably in response to pro-EU accusations that they can't say what would happen following a Brexit vote.
 
Probably in response to pro-EU accusations that they can't say what would happen following a Brexit vote.

Well thats because they can't, can they? Who can? The only people who can actually say in the event of an exit we'll do this, allowing for house politics, are the current elected government.

There is also a difference between stating what one would like to happen, and producing a "legal framework".
 
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I'm curious if any of those economic forecasts take into account any new trade deals we might do in the next 5-10 years after leaving the EU, I'm pretty sure they don't

Wait a minute, are you some sort of troll mastermind?

I share a blog post from a University of Oxford Professor of Economics about how people don't believe the economic models because of crap they've heard from people on the opposite side (as well as the tabloids), and your immediate reply is 'I don't trust the forecasts'???

I need to lie down, too much irony for one day.
 
Well thats because they can't, can they? Who can?

The only people who can actually say in the event of an exit we'll do this, allowing for house politics, are the current elected government.

Yes, which is why it was extremely foolish of them to criticise Leave for not being able to say what will happen post-Brexit. Now they are saying and are increasingly looking like an alternative government which naturally threatens the current one.
 
Why are Vote Leave producing what they are calling a "legal framework" for parliament post EU, given that they have no power to do so?

They were backed into a corner. "No plan for exit" or "No power to put a plan into motion". Looks like they went with the latter.

Sorry, but we are.

An out vote is an out vote, not a "we quite like this, but not this" vote.

It's a full divorce, not just a time apart temporary separation

Knew we should have gone for the leasing option. There was a thread on here asking who would ever want to get married. :)

There are different options for out though. EFTA, bilateral agreements, Free trade agreements or out out and use the WTO option. Or for the government to ignore the result completely (if it is a out result).
 
Another issue with the build more option (homes, schools, hospitals, roads, power stations, civil facilities, factories even prisons) and attracting an ever larger population we are even less able to be self sufficient in production of food and essentials. It is also detrimental to the environment of the UK.

I realise that this is a hugely negative prospect and even in 1940 we could not capably feed the population of these islands solely through normal production. Farming methods and productivity has improved massively however I do think that there is a maximum level of population that should be considered and a level of urbanisation that we should be content with as a country.

I believe that an increase in population is inevitable with time however the scale of this should be manageable and a 0.5% per annum increase due solely to immigration is too great
 
Why are Vote Leave producing what they are calling a "legal framework" for parliament post EU, given that they have no power to do so?

Nonsense, isn't it, trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes by pretending they are the next government are can make these changes. It's complete make believe. I guess when your crystal ball gets cloudy you have to try something new.
 
with the EU wanting to include a member state that was recently annexed by Russia?

+no, that makes it a pretty damn valid point.

if Ukraine joins will the EU be obliged to provide military support against Russia?:

cause nuclear powers going into direct confrontation does not seem sensible.

Netherlands vote against even a trade deal with ukraine last month.

But is also hypocritical from the EU trying to discuss Turkey's membership.

A country which doesnt recognise an eu member state (Cyprus), and threatens the other (Greece) with all out war all the time, while they do not recognise any agreements they signed with Greece over the last 120 years.

That on top of the daily invasion of Greek airspace, waters and announcing of weird NOTAM closing the while Aegean for live ammunition aeronautical excersises every year and for months at the time.
 
Yes, which is why it was extremely foolish of them to criticise Leave for not being able to say what will happen post-Brexit. Now they are saying and are increasingly looking like an alternative government which naturally threatens the current one.

I have nothing against them responding with what they would like to happen, but they are being completely disingenuous in manner.
 
I have nothing against them responding with what they would like to happen, but they are being completely disingenuous in manner.

In a ideal world, the government would have remained neutral and put across 2 complete options for the public to decide upon. Unfortunately that is not the case and the conservatives told us Europe needs reform, didn't get any reform and then threaten the public to stay.


From my point of view, I find it really difficult to endorse the current EU, have concerns about the future of the EU and am very reluctant to take a big leap of faith on the exit side.
 
with the EU wanting to include a member state that was recently annexed by Russia?

+no, that makes it a pretty damn valid point.

if Ukraine joins will the EU be obliged to provide military support against Russia?:

cause nuclear powers going into direct confrontation does not seem sensible.

From the big list you posted, which of those incidents were about issues of sovereignty between EU member states? I'm just struggling to see the sense in this statement:

Wars will be fought in the future and are being fought now over sovereignty. It is the single most important issue. The only one that really matters.

And what NATO has to do with our membership of the EU in this regard. Will leaving the EU mean we no longer have a commitment to NATO?

We don't know what we will be obliged to do IF Ukraine join.
 
What about the extra people arriving in the UK causing a housing shortage, which causes rental pricing to increase massively, supply is well below demand now, so that is a drain on the pockets for many renters, who have to accept renting costs are sky-rcoketing. It's not just about the benefits system, it is far greater.
Any trade deal we cut with Europe is likely to involve us having to accept the free movement of EU citizens and contributing financially, as Norway does, so we'll be in the same position as are now but have much less say over it as we won't have any representatives in the EU.

As members we have managed to get opt outs from;
The Schengen Agreement
Migration quotas,
The Euro
The banking system
as well as a number of other things

We're one of the two least controlled and regulated countries in Europe.
If we leave, we will have much less of a voice in what we will and won't accept.
We are not going to be able to cut trade deals for nowt.
We are not going to be allowed to leave and have better deals than the members.
We will have to continue to contribute financially and accept free movement of peoples.
We will lose our Veto over new countries which want to join.
 
In a ideal world, the government would have remained neutral and put across 2 complete options for the public to decide upon. Unfortunately that is not the case and the conservatives told us Europe needs reform, didn't get any reform and then threaten the public to stay.


From my point of view, I find it really difficult to endorse the current EU, have concerns about the future of the EU and am very reluctant to take a big leap of faith on the exit side.
We shouldn't be voting on this in my opinion - it should be left to experts.

Our economy is recovering nicely.
Things aren't perfect but we're doing ok.
Leaving just throws a massive question mark over our future and a mess that will take years to sort out.

If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
 
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