Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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anyone see this?
Bob Geldof on a remain boat heading them off now. Pic in link: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...attle-on-the-thames-over-brexit-a3272161.html
I think Luxembourg would be pretty happy to have our Veto power, however. How many members of the EU have that, again?
All of them.
You can prove, of course, that one of the aims of designing the EU parliament was to undermine UK (and large nation) representation?
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I wonder how all those Syrians he housed in his mansions are doing.
Stuart Rose is a muppet, frankly. The NIESR estimates that UK wages would be 3-4% lower in 2030 if we Brexit, and that fits with the results of other forecasts. We're also expected to face higher inflation and a lower value of the pound.
Rents are also likely to rise because of higher inflation and higher interest rates. The weaker economy is likely to depress our already pathetic house building figures.
I cannot see any possible way that pulling out of the most impressive body for international co-operation created in the post-War years and surrendering our seat at the table of their discussions can possibly make us more outwards looking.
You've heard the phrase "actions speak louder than words", right? It's all very well talking about engaging with the rest of Europe but if we yank ourselves out of the most potent way of doing that there is no doubt that it will have the effect of turning our backs on the EU.
Hell. Brexit is rated a lower threat than Donald Trump potentially being elected and that happens soon. Then the French and German elections.
There is always some catastrophic event around the corner.
Everyone's forgotten about Ukraine, the oil "crisis", China's low growth, Russia, Israel, the virus spreading in Africa... It's laughable. Absolutely laughable.
I'm voting to remain.
In my opinion anyone who wants to vote to leave is critically misinformed, stupid, or both.
It's incredibly disconcerting how much false information is out there (take the post above about vetos for an example) and being used by people to make decisions and influence others. A quick ask around the canteen at work (a factory in Manchester) and it's blindingly clear people are set in their ways, despite the fact their ways are just plane wrong, spouting facts and figures that are just made up. The way both the in and out campaigns are being run is shocking. We should cancel the referendum as people are simply not informed enough to make such a critical decision and to allow them to do so is just wrong.
In my opinion anyone who wants to vote to leave is critically misinformed, stupid, or both.
It's incredibly disconcerting how much false information is out there (take the post above about vetos for an example) and being used by people to make decisions and influence others. A quick ask around the canteen at work (a factory in Manchester) and it's blindingly clear people are set in their ways, despite the fact their ways are just plane wrong, spouting facts and figures that are just made up. The way both the in and out campaigns are being run is shocking. We should cancel the referendum as people are simply not informed enough to make such a critical decision and to allow them to do so is just wrong.
Just fixed that post for you dbmzk1.
They were backed into a corner. "No plan for exit" or "No power to put a plan into motion". Looks like they went with the latter.
Knew we should have gone for the leasing option. There was a thread on here asking who would ever want to get married.
There are different options for out though. EFTA, bilateral agreements, Free trade agreements or out out and use the WTO option. Or for the government to ignore the result completely (if it is a out result).
We won't go down the EFTA route, as we'd have to allow free movement (which everyone thinks is a problem, even though it really isn't) and would be (imo) the best outcome from a leave vote.
It's more likely to be a couple of years of us throwing massive tantrums because we don't get our own way, arguing, telling everyone else we are the best, being diagnosed with "little england" syndrome, and then settling for a halfway house that doesn't benefit anyone!
I'm still undecided, but as the days go on I'm more and more aware how utterly ridiculous this whole thing will be looked back on.
I have visions of Adam Curtis doing an documentary in a couple of years about it, with silly music and voiceovers about how people were basing their opinions on baseless ideals.
I have visions of Adam Curtis doing an documentary in a couple of years about it, with silly music and voiceovers about how people were basing their opinions on baseless ideals.
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I have been looking at the BBC poll of polls and it is surprising that some pollsters have always got one side ahead. A case of 'what do you want the poll to be'. The only one worth a damn is the one after the ballot.
He's right. The EU parliament was introduced as a compromise moving the EU towards having much fairer representation while still accepting the concerns of smaller EU nations had/have about being overwhelmed by the larger nations. As always, it's a compromise between democracy and sovereignty. Smaller nations don't want to lose their sovereignty either.
Agreed. I follow politics and consider myself fairly educated (and in fact have the paperwork to "prove" it) and am making basic errors. There should be a longer period of education on the EU and what it means. But how to do that in a way that is both neutral and is seen to be neutral.
This whole thing is a rushed and ill-defined mess.
Regarding the poll on this thread: has anyone else noticed that the longer the thread stays open, the more it swings back towards Remain? It was on about 39%-61% and now it's at 42%-58%. I noticed the same thing on the last few threads.
Does it mean anything? Is it just regression to the mean? I'm not sure how to interpret it or if there's really any interpretation to be had.
Does it mean anything? Is it just regression to the mean? I'm not sure how to interpret it or if there's really any interpretation to be had.
I agree with you. The politicians have been caught with their pants down.
However I am voting to leave, like you, also have a piece of "paper" proving my education alongside a job role and salary demonstrating my "education" / "critical thinking" abilities. The belief that one side is an uneducated mess is outright insulting.
Article from The Times http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sopl5u
A take on the ideas of old school idea of 'sovereignty' vs the 'modern' way of thinking.
A take on the ideas of old school idea of 'sovereignty' vs the 'modern' way of thinking.
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