Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%

  • Total voters
    1,759
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It's irrelevant that immigration is a net positive if all someone sees in their local area is unemployment and Polish shops - and making the argument that all the issues of deprivation, low pay, lack of quality housing are all government failings is really difficult if you've been the party of government for six years.

Good points, but mentally I keep hearing that old speech of Gordon Brown's: that perhaps "Britain should be a nation of window cleaners". I.e. cheap imported labour should (and does) allow native Britains to ascend to do more interesting and lucrative work because it provides people to do all those cheaper jobs. Of course, that doesn't help if you are a British window cleaner. But for the nation as a whole it is a gain.

What we need, imo, is better education and more higher-wage jobs (i.e. build up skilled industry in the UK). The problem isn't people coming over to do our work for us, it's Britain not doing enough to lift up its own population.
 
Sterling dropping 15%-20%, our credit rating dropped by one to two notches, cost of goods rising and with the BoE having already made the most of the majority of techniques available to them to see out rough patches. Were all these things to happen if a Leave vote went ahead, then we'd be negotiating our new trade agreements from a significantly weaker standpoint and imo would struggle to secure better deals as a result.

I don't dispute there could be some degree of financial turmoil, but people/businesses/markets will adapt and ultimately we will be better off not shackled to the EU. If the EU continues to experience difficulties the UK could well be looked at as as a safe haven for investment in the future if we leave.
 
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Good points, but mentally I keep hearing that old speech of Gordon Brown's: that perhaps "Britain should be a nation of window cleaners". I.e. cheap imported labour should (and does) allow native Britains to ascend to do more interesting and lucrative work because it provides people to do all those cheaper jobs. Of course, that doesn't help if you are a British window cleaner. But for the nation as a whole it is a gain.

I remember when Gordon Brown said "British jobs for British workers", then found out that would be illegal under EU rules.

What we need, imo, is better education and more higher-wage jobs (i.e. build up skilled industry in the UK). The problem isn't people coming over to do our work for us, it's Britain not doing enough to lift up its own population.

That's great, but not everyone can be a doctor or an engineer. Some people are going to have to do unskilled or semi-skilled work at low to average wages. These are the people that are disproportionately affected by uncontrolled immigration, these are the people who have suffered the most thanks to our membership of the EU. I realise that it's not as hip or trendy to be concerned about the plight of these people as it is to be concerned about #refugees (no journalist is going to win a Pulitzer with a report about social deprivation in Rochdale), but as a fellow British citizen I am concerned about what sort of society we are living in - because ultimately we all do live in the same society and not many of us will be able to afford to live in gated communities with 24x7 security guards.
 
^^^^^^You are voting to support him if you vote in! :mad:

Don't be so ridiculous. Just becuase you agree with someone on a single issue doesn't mean you support them.

Your implication would mean that I support Theresa May who is on the remain side and that makes me feel a little sick.
 
Actually, it's likely that he'll have taken some form of a short position on GBP, so you're more likely to be supporting him if you vote to leave - he'll make a small fortune on a leave vote.

Not convinced. Surely if he'd done that, he'd be telling everyone to support Leave as he'd make more money.
 
A Brexit quiz from the FT,

https://ig.ft.com/sites/how-should-..._term=b2cunengaged&utm_campaign=brexitcrm2016

It asks you questions, then you give the answer which represents your view, then it gives you more information and tallies up what your overall position is.

Well unsurprisingly it told me that I was in favour of Remaining (86%), though it for some reason counted my unwillingness to just take the Bank of England's word for something as a +1 to Leave (it isn't, I just like to inform myself, not rely on authorities).

It also presented me with the horror show question of who I'd prefer for Prime Minister out of Cameron, Boris or Theresa May with no option for "I'd sooner vote for Hitler" which it should do.
 
Not convinced. Surely if he'd done that, he'd be telling everyone to support Leave as he'd make more money.

An investor of his presence and clout is likely going to be asked all manner of things by the press, but there's no way one of the world's most successful shorters isn't going to have some form of short position on the year's, potentially decade's, biggest short opportunity. You got to be pretty naive to think he's not taken a position.

If he said "oh, there's nothing to worry about" when virtually every financial and economic figure and body is indicating a likely fall in GBP, do you think anyone would believe him and that he hadn't built a short position? He very well may have heged himself the other way too, but seriously... you'd have to really have your head in the sand to think he's squeaky clean.
 
Why is the EU governence set up so complicated with that many different comisions/councils/plarliments all doing differnt things.


Why not just a parliment that proposes and passes laws like most countries use

Because countries like Britain wanted to preserve their national influence. If everyone voted in members of the commission, national governments would have little to no actual control there. Essentially, they would be ceding total democratic control to Europe as both assemblies in the EU would then be directly elected. So instead, governments nominate their own choices for commissioners to ensure that the committee is actually made up of the government's representatives for each nation. Think of it as each country getting their peers in the House of Lords - they can't pass laws without the elected body approving them, but they at least ensure that the chosen government of your country has a representative in the EU with some weight to throw around.
 
An investor of his presence and clout is likely going to be asked all manner of things by the press, but there's no way one of the world's most successful shorters isn't going to have some form of short position on the year's, potentially decade's, biggest short opportunity. You got to be pretty naive to think he's not taken a position.

If he said "oh, there's nothing to worry about" when virtually every financial and economic figure and body is indicating a likely fall in GBP, do you think anyone would believe him and that he hadn't built a short position? He very well may have heged himself the other way too, but seriously... you'd have to really have your head in the sand to think he's squeaky clean.

I've read he's massively shorting anything to do with the EU, which begs the question why does he think we should be part of something he thinks is going to fail?
 
I think this endorsement pretty much seals victory for Remain:

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Don't be so ridiculous. Just becuase you agree with someone on a single issue doesn't mean you support them.

Your implication would mean that I support Theresa May who is on the remain side and that makes me feel a little sick.

You really don't know how the world works. :rolleyes:

Theresa May is not a hedge fund manager of billions of pounds of our/peoples money.

It all about money that's all the world works on money.
The EU is about money, go and find out how much the 10,000+ bureaucrats of the EU make in a year.

Did you have lobster or foie gras for starters at lunch yesterday?

The EU is about Big business, Big banks and bureaucratic fat cats on a feeding frenzy form the likes of me and you.
 
I've read he's massively shorting anything to do with the EU, which begs the question why does he think we should be part of something he thinks is going to fail?

I hadn't actually read that he wanted us to be part of anything. I read that he predicted at 15%-20% drop of GBP if we leave.
 
I hadn't actually read that he wanted us to be part of anything. I read that he predicted at 15%-20% drop of GBP if we leave.

Suggest you read up a bit on this guy's history then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Views_on_Europe

In October 2011, Soros drafted an open letter entitled "As concerned Europeans we urge Eurozone leaders to unite", in which he calls for a stronger economic government for Europe using federal means (Common EU treasury, common fiscal supervision, etc.) and warns against the danger of nationalistic solutions to the economic crisis. The letter was co-signed by Javier Solana, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, Andrew Duff, Emma Bonino, Massimo d'Alema, Vaira Vike-Freiberga.

Soros criticized Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and his handling of the European migrant crisis in 2015: "His plan treats the protection of national borders as the objective and the refugees as an obstacle. Our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national borders as the obstacle."
 
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