There are some silly people that believe him even now.
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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There are some silly people that believe him even now.
I'm not sure what the faux outrage is here, we all know manifestos aren't binding and that all political parties make outrageous promises in their own ones at every election, which if they come into power, they then change, modify or drop under the pretext of 'We didn't know how bad things were until we got in' and now we can't do X,Y,Z even though we really wanted to.....honest.
If you want pre-election lies, then the 'We have no intention on raising VAT' was about the biggest whopper the Tories have done, but funnily enough, we still keep voting them in.
And then, you want to give these shower of muppets unilateral control over us again
Oh yea, I forgot, we can vote them out (which we don't) every 5 years for the binary choice of the other shower of muppets
Yet you're prepared to put your trust in Mr Cameron to keep us in a failing, bloated, ineffective super-state? Leaving the EU is an elite politician's worst nightmare, God forbid that they should be held to account by the British electorate.
Well, apart from disagreeing with your perjorative description of the EU, I don't trust the Tories or New Labour on much that they promise. I trust more that the consensus driven EU parliament and the national governments keep each other in check far more than one or the other having unilateral control.
And funnily enough, a lot of EU legislation backs that opinion up for me.
Funny, we still have this thing called a General Election, I think that's where you keep saying we hold them to account.
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A better produced clip of Peter Shore's performance at the 1975 Oxford Union referendum debate -
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And the Remain campaign doing what they do best -
Turnout at the 2015 General Election was 66%. Turnout at the 2014 European Parliament elections was a mere 35%. I know you'll probably be in favour of low turnouts as it means the thicko-working class aren't voting for reasons I disagree with, but it goes to show which elections the British public value more. Yet with more and more of our legislation being made in Brussels and not London, a trend that will most definitely continue if the EU wins this referendum, then I wonder just what will be the point of General Elections in the future.
Then I can imagine [if we remain] especially after this referendum the British electorates involvement with EU elections will increase as people realise it does have an impact on their lives.
Maybe we will even vote in MPs who want to engage with the EU and work together for our interests, rather than the shower of muppets of UKIP who just vote against everything, including things in our national interest.
Nice perjorative comment on the working class being thickos and not voting in the EU - I imagine you probably have, but got any citation on that?
I guess we could ask itchy as a representative sample.
The same as it has been for the last few hundred years.
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To most Leavers, George Soros is the devil incarnate. It's well known that Soros has his own political agenda of weak nations, no borders, oligarchy etc. He's taken massive positions on the EU failing and at the same time is funding the flow of refugees into Europe that will imo guarantee that the EU will fail.
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All high level investors support remain because volatility rocks the boat. Soros doesn't give one hoot about what happens to the average citizen. He was the one who profitted massively back in the 90s to the tune of about $1billion shorting the British pound in the whole ERM debacle (EU initiative).
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Oh the irony
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My gut feeling is there’s been so much effort to demonise Leave voters that they are less likely to be open about their intentions. Remainers on the over hand are loud and proud, well, you would be when you’re paragons of virtue, and your views are in fashion. To me, the 50:50 stuff does not reflect at all what I’ve seen in person and all over social media.
As for the EU itself, it’s dying, and our leaving will accelerate that. It would be nice to watch from a safe distance rather than getting caught-up in its death throes and the inevitable cost attached to being dragged down with it. Also, for those claiming the EU will punish us for leaving, let’s not forget that it will be greatly weakened once us and our big fat contributor wallets are gone.
48h and I’ll know whether my gut feeling is correct, or whether I have a bowel obstruction.
As for the EU itself, it’s dying, and our leaving will accelerate that. It would be nice to watch from a safe distance rather than getting caught-up in its death throes and the inevitable cost attached to being dragged down with it. Also, for those claiming the EU will punish us for leaving, let’s not forget that it will be greatly weakened once us and our big fat contributor wallets are gone.
48h and I’ll know whether my gut feeling is correct, or whether I have a bowel obstruction.
I tend to agree. The major issue of immigration still has not been addressed by the Remain campaign, and I think people are sceptical of the governments scare tactics, voting leave is as much a vote against Cameron as it is against the EU.
Soros did his outmost to cripple the ability of Greece and Portugal to borrow in 2009, sending the countries to the middle ages that are now.
And himself congratulating statements were posted even on the BBC.
Even the BBC today praise that he made money betting on the devualtion of the pound in 1992. Which was brief and bounce up going even higher than the euro, is missed by the rest of course.
And himself congratulating statements were posted even on the BBC.
Even the BBC today praise that he made money betting on the devualtion of the pound in 1992. Which was brief and bounce up going even higher than the euro, is missed by the rest of course.
It's definitely a bowel obstruction, 'cause you're full of ****!
(Sorry, I'm j/k but you left that door wide open
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Yep, left myself open for that one. 
Soros has made a huge chunk of his money as a result of volatility, he runs a hedge fund... not real money funds - Soros accurately called the negative impact on £ last time, and he's made another similar but potentially worse prediction to our currency this time around. I don't think anyone is making reference to whether he gives a **** about British citizens, but simply indicating that we're going to have a really rough market should we leave.
Sterling dropping 15%-20%, our credit rating dropped by one to two notches, cost of goods rising and with the BoE having already made the most of the majority of techniques available to them to see out rough patches. Were all these things to happen if a Leave vote went ahead, then we'd be negotiating our new trade agreements from a significantly weaker standpoint and imo would struggle to secure better deals as a result.
I think changing the mind of somebody like Scorza (presuming they have one) is unlikely, I agree. However, pointing out the flaws in what they say or link to can provide better information to others who read through the thread. It also helps others have a reply when they encounter such arguments elsewhere online or in the real world. I think it is good to respond with counter-arguments independently of whether the person you're replying to is able to change their mind.
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