Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Mr Jack said:
They do. The error rates in EU spending are not higher than the rates in UK spending.



"Material error" doesn't even mean it was spent incorrectly, it means there was some problem with some part of the oversight, allocation or spending.
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Ok so they have formulated a way to sign off their accounts but accepts around 4% of the budget has some issues. So 4% of roughly £110B is around £4.4 billion!

4% sounds so much nicer

When do I get to sign off my business accounts with 4% error - maybe I should use the EU's Court of Auditors to do that

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/
 
jimjamuk said:
Ok so they have formulated a way to sign off their accounts but accepts around 4% of the budget has some issues. So 4% of roughly £110B is around £4.4 billion!

4% sounds so much nicer

When do I get to sign off my business accounts with 4% error - maybe I should use the EU's Court of Auditors to do that

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/
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When your business accounts have £110bn in revenue and are as complicated as the EU's then I think you should have some slack too.

Let be clear discrepancies do not mean that the money has been defrauded.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
When your business accounts have £110bn in revenue and are as complicated as the EU's then I think you should have some slack too.

Let be clear discrepancies do not mean that the money has been defrauded.
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But that's not doesn't mean that fraud isn't taking place, I'd be surprised if it wasn't with those sort of numbers. Let's be honest as well, southern European countries are generally more corrupt than northern European ones.
 
Mr Jack said:
My apologies, it's 47% for study in the most recent figures, just under 50%. That's still over 88,000. There's no way we'd be able to reduce non-study immigration to 12,000 or less without enormous damage to our economy and even further restricting the family rights of British citizens (already disgustingly slashed by Thereas May's decision to make it so British citizens have less right to reside with their spouse in the UK that people from other EU countries).
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Sorry I should have pointed out what you said "Getting net migration below 100,000 would do huge damage to our country"

vincent1989 said:
It and the vast majority of Birmingham outside about a mile of the city centre looks exactly like that.
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Alum Rock comes to mind.
 
Gonna be ironic and say 55 R 45 L and we get the epic "We are the 45" lol worthy comments.

Regardless, countries gonna be ruined regardless... just more so socially if Leave loses.
 
deuse said:
Sorry I should have pointed out what you said "Getting net migration below 100,000 would do huge damage to our country"
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I said why. Because we can't achieve it without decimating student numbers and students bring lots of money into our country.

I mean immigration is also a huge benefit to our country in general, and cutting it off would do other damage but students are the obvious one.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Hmm, what can I say....? :) It pains me deeply to type this, but, err, sorry, I admit I did only skim read it ;)
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That's fine Chris we are all guilty of doing that sometimes - just gives the opposition an opportunity to poke some fun ;)

But it goes a long way in a debate when we can just admit we got something wrong rather than to stick dogmatically to our opinion - and that goes to both sides of the fence
 
Mr Jack said:
I mean immigration is also a huge benefit to our country in general, and cutting it off would do other damage but students are the obvious one.
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Makes you wonder why Cameron promised to cut immigration to the tens of thousands if it's such a good thing - surely he should be opening the flood gates to get net immigration to one million upwards.
 
Mr Jack said:
I said why. Because we can't achieve it without decimating student numbers and students bring lots of money into our country.

I mean immigration is also a huge benefit to our country in general, and cutting it off would do other damage but students are the obvious one.
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You're not making any sense, the student migration numbers thing is a red herring because the vast majority of students form part of the group that don't stay and therefore are not part of the net migration figure...
 
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I think even with a remain win, the result being close will be a good thing because the EU needs a kick in the nuts and should actually have a good think about why so many people are so Eurosceptic.

Although history has shown us it's almost impermeable to any kind of reform, maybe there's a chance they will start to listen seeing as there are rumblings of similar discontent elsewhere in Europe. I won't hold my breath, though.

Must say I'm getting annoyed at the FB arguments where people on either side are just completely resistant to admitting that there are valid opposing arguments. It's a massive farce and people are making themselves look like utter blinkered tools.
 
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Mr Jack said:
I said why. Because we can't achieve it without decimating student numbers and students bring lots of money into our country.

I mean immigration is also a huge benefit to our country in general, and cutting it off would do other damage but students are the obvious one.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree with you if they had health insurance.
In my opinion anyone from anywhere coming here should have Health Insurance for min of 5 years.
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Narj said:
I think even with a remain win, the result being close will be a good thing because the EU needs a kick in the nuts and should actually have a good think about why so many people are so Eurosceptic.

Although history has shown us it's almost impermeable to any kind of reform, maybe there's a chance they will start to listen seeing as there are rumblings of similar discontent elsewhere in Europe. I won't hold my breath, though.
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That's the problem. The Remain camp think they are voting to keep things the same; that isn't what is going to happen. We will get swept along on a wave of ever closer integration and people need to understand that if they are thinking of voting to remain.
 
scorza said:
Makes you wonder why Cameron promised to cut immigration to the tens of thousands if it's such a good thing -
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Umm, not really?

A politician saying a soundbite to appeal to the populist topic of time, without looking into the practicalities or even meaning it, colour me surprised!
 
Freakbro said:
That's fine Chris we are all guilty of doing that sometimes - just gives the opposition an opportunity to poke some fun ;)

But it goes a long way in a debate when we can just admit we got something wrong rather than to stick dogmatically to our opinion - and that goes to both sides of the fence
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I am married, apologies are a way of (a quiet) life to me, and trip off the tongue quite fluently, no worries!
 
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