Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[V F]

Plenty of newspapers and politicians citing it so I am sure the source is solid all the info is out there, was even cited on the last question time.

Something just struck me, I have noticed that the uk plays by the rules and other members do not such as the recent story about how we have paid for all of our citizens receiving medical treatment in eu countries yet we haven't been paid back by the eu members says it all really.

Sorry but half the eu countries are corrupt and don't play by the rules another solid reason to vote out.

 

[Dave M]

What I do know is that when Switzerland did withdraw from freedom of movement and impose quotas, the consequences were not severe. I think Switzerland got excluded from the European student exchange scheme ERASMUS and that's pretty much it.

Switzerland hasn't imposed the quotas yet though, they've got another year to implement that vote and are still talking (although it appears, there will either be another vote this year or they take the risk of unilaterally imposing the quotas).

Also the Erasmus thing has been widely cited as a punishment for the vote but it appears to be a separate issue over Swiss funding which was rumbling on long before the vote to limit immigration. It's possible, even likely, that EU willingness to compromise was reduced by the vote but it's not in response to imposing limits (because they haven't yet) and shouldn't be taken as the extent of an EU response if/when the limits are imposed.

 

[Mr Jack]

Plenty of newspapers and politicians citing it so I am sure the source is solid all the info is out there, was even cited on the last question time.

So... in other words, you have no source. As for something being trustworthy because it's repeated in Newspapers and Politicians, you have a lot more faith than I!

The closest thing to your claim I can find is the one from Nigel Farage:

"on 55 occasions British Ministers have said they will object to an EU directive, and on 55 occasions they have been over-ruled."​

Which traces back to this report from Business for Britain (a Brexit campaign group), and refers to votes since 1996 not 2010. It seems to be correct but misleading. Firstly because it ignores the 91% of the time that British ministers got the outcome they wanted and, secondly, because it ignores the much larger proportion of the time - around 70% - that issues are decided before they get to the Council anyway. It also ignores the influence the UK exerts through the EU parliament - which was what we were actually talking about when you posted your initial comment.

(See Fullfact for more from a neutral source on Farage's claim)

 

[Nate--IRL--]

Maybe the Scottish people predict we will leave and hope to stay in and gain independence as well in a separate vote in the future. So the Scotts make a statement to stay in by the in vote and show that their interests and the interests of the out voters of England are different, therefore showing positives in independence of Scotland. Then they will encourage big US/Chinese/Japanese businesses who use the UK as a gateway to EU trade, to move to Scotland.

This way they gain jobs and foreign investment with their independence with less strings attached to the UK and an option for the euro because they think the pound will slump.

No no no, Scotland has to stay part of the UK when leaving the EU. Enticing Foreign investment with an English speaking base of operation in the EU is for Ireland to exploit

Nate

 

[Mr Jack]

I wondering whether we should start a popcorn thread just for the amusement value of watching the Tory infighting?

Ian Duncan-Smith called Cameron's report on leaving the EU a
"dodgy dossier". Ouch! That's not playing nicely. How they're going to carry on working together in government with this kind of language whizzing about is going to be great fun to watch.

 

[Uther]

I wondering whether we should start a popcorn thread just for the amusement value of watching the Tory infighting?

Ian Duncan-Smith called Cameron's report on leaving the EU a
"dodgy dossier". Ouch! That's not playing nicely. How they're going to carry on working together in government with this kind of language whizzing about is going to be great fun to watch.

I am actually surprised they got a free vote, and thought they would have had to resign to vote against the government in something so important.Of course the self serving trough feeders wouldn't have been so keen then. Wonder if there'll be a 'night of the long knives' after the vote

 

[Malevolence]

Another thing that occurred to me:



Let's put this another way, British MEPs, representing around 12-13% of the EU's population, and one of 28 nations, blocked 16% of the legislation they wanted to block. What's so bad about that? That seems like about the kind of level of influence we should expect to have.

So they didn't block 84% of the legislation they wanted to block?

 

[bayo000]

we have 0 % influence inside the eu our last 70 odd objections have been voted down since 2010

Do you know for certain that they weren't all **** and that's why they were rejected?

 

[Insanties_birth]

Do you know for certain that they weren't all **** and that's why they were rejected?

If the EU is putting that many bad policies through the door just to see which ones get through then they're no better than patent trolls

It's true though, we have 'influence' when in the EU. In other words we have a say among 28 other nations so you just have to decide if that is a conflict of interest or not when it comes to issues that are more beneficial for other parties. It's not really a smart system in my opinion (fine for trade deals where of course we have to agree on fair deals but not fine for making laws that govern various different countries and should be in our own hands anyway). I'm going to sit this debate out until I see a few more sensible points up for discussion (i.e. important issues raised by the politicians). I'm a little tired of hearing the propaganda on each side so I'll wait for more solid info on what we'll do if we leave.

 

[Mr Jack]

So they didn't block 84% of the legislation they wanted to block?

Again, what's so bad about that? Why do people expect us to have disproportionate influence in the EU?

The fact is that we still - even under Cameron's incompetent EU management - are on the winning side in over 85% of votes in the EU. We approved of over 94% of the votes put to the Council.

The vast majority of things put forward by the EU gets approved of by our representatives in Europe even with the poo-flinging monkeys of UKIP being our largest group of representatives in the EU parliament.

 

[scorza]

Stay campaign chief: Workers wages will rise following Brexit, but that's not necessarily a good thing. Well Sir Stuart, I bet it sounds like a good think to the people whose wages would go up.

Spoiler

 

[bayo000]

It's all relative though isn't it? All depends by how much your wage will go up and how much the cost of living will increase. Even now it's not necessarily a good thing for someone to move to London for say extra 10% salary increase if the cost of living in London is 30% higher.

 

[robfosters]

OUT!

 

[adam cool dude]

OUT!

 

[rare]

My employer made the news today because they sent out an open letter to all employees setting out what they see as the benefits of remaining in the union. I am afraid that even the scaremongering of potential job losses is not enough to sway me.

I have to vote with my conscience. I can't wait to vote out in June. The systematic destruction of democracy and even, dare I say it, western european civilisation in the pursuit of economic and political union, whatever the costs, is more than I can take.

 

[itchy]

The 5th largest economy in the world.

Nuclear armed.

Some of the best engineers in the world. BAE and Rolls to name a few.

One of the most pragmatic and accommodating people on earth is Great Britian.

You in voters need to seriously consider your position on what being British is?

We can take any wound inflicted if we vote out, we are British after all!

 

[Mr C]

I have followed the debate for some time and still find very little appealing from the Out campaign.

Based on the information in this article:

http://www.economist.com/news/brief...referendum-britains-eu-membership-if-he-loses

I find it quite scary to imagine the negotiation period following a Brexit

Article 50 provides that the EU will negotiate a new agreement with the withdrawing country over two years. That can be extended, but only by unanimous agreement. The article also specifies that, when agreeing a new deal, the EU acts without the involvement of the country that is leaving. To get a feel for the negotiating dynamic, imagine a divorce demanded unilaterally by one partner, the terms of which are fixed unilaterally by the other. It is a process that is likely to be neither harmonious nor quick—nor to yield a result that is favourable to Britain.

Indeed, the incentive for other EU countries is not to act with generosity. A decision to leave will be seen by many as a hostile and destabilising act for a union that is already in deep trouble. Voters across Europe are disillusioned with Brussels. Populist parties in France, the Netherlands, Italy and elsewhere are watching the Brexit debate closely. The EU will be desperate to show that a decision to leave does not have a painless outcome

Another worrying feature was the weight that people put on the potential for re-negotiating a free trade agreement based on the UK's Standing which seems completely misguided:

The second is to claim that, because Britain runs a big trade deficit with other EU countries, they need the British market more than Britain needs theirs. This is a fallacy: Britain accounts for only 10% of EU exports, while the EU takes almost half of Britain’s. Moreover, most of the British trade deficit with the EU is with just two countries, Germany and Spain—yet a trade agreement must be endorsed by the other 25 members too.

So essentially voting to leave means we get royally shafted by the EU to make sure nobody else decides to leave, no concessions on a "better" free trade agreement as we really are not that special and are likely to end up joining the EEA anyway and giving back everything we wanted to leave the EU for in the first place.

I don't see any reason to leave.

 

[Caged]

The 5th largest economy in the world.

Nuclear armed.

Some of the best engineers in the world. BAE and Rolls to name a few.

One of the most pragmatic and accommodating people on earth is Great Britian.

You in voters need to seriously consider your position on what being British is?

We can take any wound inflicted if we vote out, we are British after all!

There's words here but it doesn't seem to be a language I recognise

 

[V F]

The 5th largest economy in the world.

Nuclear armed.

Some of the best engineers in the world. BAE and Rolls to name a few.

One of the most pragmatic and accommodating people on earth is Great Britian.

You in voters need to seriously consider your position on what being British is?

We can take any wound inflicted if we vote out, we are British after all!

I thought being British was bad? Multiculturalism was the term they all liked....

 

[Outcast]

I have followed the debate for some time and still find very little appealing from the Out campaign.

Based on the information in this article:

http://www.economist.com/news/brief...referendum-britains-eu-membership-if-he-loses

I find it quite scary to imagine the negotiation period following a Brexit

Another worrying feature was the weight that people put on the potential for re-negotiating a free trade agreement based on the UK's Standing which seems completely misguided:



So essentially voting to leave means we get royally shafted by the EU to make sure nobody else decides to leave, no concessions on a "better" free trade agreement as we really are not that special and are likely to end up joining the EEA anyway and giving back everything we wanted to leave the EU for in the first place.

I don't see any reason to leave.

If We leave the EU there wont be an EU for much longer to whittle about !

Deutsche bank is about to do a Lehmans. Bank of Italy is about to collapse.