Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 400 43.3%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 523 56.7%
  • Total voters
    923
  • Poll closed .
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The thing that concerns me the most is that EU more than likely is going to make life very difficult for the UK in the event of an exit. Don't expect any easy EU deals to suddenly appear, they'll be doing their best to damage the UK economy.
 
estebanrey said:
Are you suggesting Switzerland didn't freely agree to free movement in a deal that gave them access to the free market but some kind of secret military threat was made against them unless they enacted it?

That really is tinfoil hat stuff.
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Err, don't be silly.

I expect that freedom of movement was likely to be high on the EU agenda to pass before anything else could be negotiated. Switzerland wouldn't have been able to make any progress on any other issue until this was resolved.
 
estebanrey said:
Are you suggesting Switzerland didn't freely agree to free movement in a deal that gave them access to the free market but some kind of secret military threat was made against them unless they enacted it?

That really is tinfoil hat stuff.
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The level of access they wanted required free movement as one of the conditions. They agreed by signing the relevant bi-lateral agreement. As was said before, the EU offers tiered access to the common market based on a set of predefined freedoms and conditions, if you don't like one tier you pick another; but what you do sign binds you to conform by the relevant EU treaties and international law derived from them. You also pay a contribution to the EU proportionate to the level of your participation, even if you're on the fringes of the project, as some countries chose to be.

What's so hard to grasp?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Err, don't be silly.

I expect that freedom of movement was likely to be high on the EU agenda to pass before anything else could be negotiated. Switzerland wouldn't have been able to make any progress on any other issue until this was resolved.
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You expect? Don't you know?

What I do know is that when Switzerland did withdraw from freedom of movement and impose quotas, the consequences were not severe. I think Switzerland got excluded from the European student exchange scheme ERASMUS and that's pretty much it.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Or perhaps your agenda is stopping you seeing another perspective?
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Surely everyone posting non stop in the thread on both sides has an agenda? From people who I suspect are probably working for Conservative central office to the more rabid 'no immigrants! outers'. I don't mean to single you out Burnsey but you yourself have a personal reason for wanting the UK to stay in. An out vote could cause you some issues, maybe minor, but who knows.
 
scorza said:
Well if we weren't in the EU then British MPs in our Parliament could block 100% of the legislation they don't want to become law. That's the kind of influence I expect us to have.
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If we leave the EU we then have a 0% influence over these laws. Most of which will continue to effect us because of our close trade links with the EU - even more so if we rejoin the EEA after Brexit.

This fantasy of a post-Brexit Britain in which we are suddenly masters of our universe is just that: a fantasy. In reality, we'd continue to be closely interlinked with other countries in the global economy and merely have less ability to influence these externalities.
 
413x said:
To me the eu would be much better as just western countries. And then an EC style format for rest
The cultural economic differences between the UK and Romania for example are just too great for this level of integration

I mean the euro is a step too far
And it's only going to get worse

Look at the migrant problem we would have had if we were in the free border plan

A eu ideal that has just fallen apart.


Id be interested to know how many pro eu people have some sort of personal interest (work abroad, house abroad, partner abroad) etc etc
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I would vote yes if it was just uk germany and scandanavia
 
Mr Jack said:
If we leave the EU we then have a 0% influence over these laws. Most of which will continue to effect us because of our close trade links with the EU - even more so if we rejoin the EEA after Brexit.

This fantasy of a post-Brexit Britain in which we are suddenly masters of our universe is just that: a fantasy. In reality, we'd continue to be closely interlinked with other countries in the global economy and merely have less ability to influence these externalities.
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we have 0 % influence inside the eu our last 70 odd objections have been voted down since 2010
 
I don't think scottish people should be allowed to vote on whether england leaves the eu they will all vote to stay in because they still have that whole scottish independence anti english chip on their shoulders watching braveheart on repeat.They see the referendum as a way to attack the english who all live in mansions and are all millionaires especially here in london.

It should be separated and sotland can stay in if they like but they should not have any influence of whether england stays or leaves.
 
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C64 said:
I don't think scottish people should be allowed to vote on whether england leaves the eu they will all vote to stay in because they still have that whole scottish independence anti english chip on their shoulders watching braveheart on repeat.They see the referendum as a way to attack the english who all live in mansions and are all millionaires especially here in london.

It should be separated and sotland can stay in if they like but they should not have any influence of whether england stays or leaves.
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Maybe the Scottish people predict we will leave and hope to stay in and gain independence as well in a separate vote in the future. So the Scotts make a statement to stay in by the in vote and show that their interests and the interests of the out voters of England are different, therefore showing positives in independence of Scotland. Then they will encourage big US/Chinese/Japanese businesses who use the UK as a gateway to EU trade, to move to Scotland.

This way they gain jobs and foreign investment with their independence with less strings attached to the UK and an option for the euro because they think the pound will slump.
 
Mr Jack said:
Source? These are wildly different figures from the one's Deuse posted that we were discussing.
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Plenty of newspapers and politicians citing it so I am sure the source is solid all the info is out there, was even cited on the last question time.

Something just struck me, I have noticed that the uk plays by the rules and other members do not such as the recent story about how we have paid for all of our citizens receiving medical treatment in eu countries yet we haven't been paid back by the eu members says it all really.

Sorry but half the eu countries are corrupt and don't play by the rules another solid reason to vote out.
 
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