Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[Avenged7Fold]

Before we join the common market NHS standards were the best in the world, education standards were the best in the world. before the explosion in new member states and free travel house prices and rents were lower, and wages were higher in the 90s.
The EU is just a medium for companies to get there way, it does not care about its people, it just focus on the consumer.

In the 90s you were paid more stacking shelves than now, working late night you'd get double pay, Sundays you'd get double pay that has all gone. Even labouring you get more money those days. The influx of more people pushes down wages in the UK many reports agree, the only people to benefit are the wealthy.

Wow, I hope none of those that draw conclusions from this 'evidence' ever goes in the field of research.

House prices went crazy mainly due to many being bought up to be rented out. Then even further when buytolet mortgages were brought in and all of a sudden anyone earning over 25k and with enough cash for a deposit was buying houses they couldn't afford to profit from those who couldn't afford a house deposit. It is the added competition to purchase housing which raised the prices, not immigrants.

Wages were higher relative to the job position and qualifications and this is for any number of reasons. More and more kids are getting pushed through university with the governments approach that there is a degree out there for everyone. We are also recovering from a financial slump. Your recalling of the good ol days does not provide any evidence and apart from mentioning incorrect correlation (See wages graph) just goes to show how hard we were affected by the financial crisis.

So where in the graph does it say wages were highest in the 90s?

 

[Skunkworks]

Would you rather the company lie and pretend everything will be rosy? There is no tactic about it, it's just rpvidibg facts to employees so they can prepare for possible outcomes.

Like the guy who charges for "protection"?

 

[pinkpill]

Explain the huge amount of consumer protection legislation then?



Citation needed.

I used to get just over 9 pounds stacking shelves in sainsburys when I was a teen later 90s, that's 17 years ago, I was offered double pay for Sunday's.
They get 7 an hour these days, a clear wage deflation for the same job, and where do you see double pay on sundays now.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

I used to get just over 9 pounds stacking shelves in sainsburys when I was a teen later 90s, that's 17 years ago, I was offered double pay for Sunday's.
They get 7 an hour these days, a clear wage deflation for the same job, and where do you see double pay on sundays now.

Double pay on Sundays was removed from Sainsburys and other supermarkets because slumps in profit growth scared stock holders. More people are buying online and using the supermarkets less, so tightening their belt is what they have to do to maintain similar margins in store to keep upper management happy. It is hard to justify the pay out when in store numbers are continuously falling short of targets, whereas they were being met before. How do i know this? I worked for tesco in between getting a proper job and leaving uni and had a good mate who was in HR at Sainsburys.

As for £9 an hour stacking shelves... ridiculous, i have someone in front of me now who worked in Sainsburys during the 90s and he said he got around £5.50. When i worked for Tesco they use to brag that their employees on the shop floor were better paid than competing supermarkets and have been for decades and they are getting £8-9 an hour now

 

[pinkpill]

Wow, I hope none of those that draw conclusions from this 'evidence' ever goes in the field of research.

House prices went crazy mainly due to many being bought up to be rented out. Then even further when buytolet mortgages were brought in and all of a sudden anyone earning over 25k and with enough cash for a deposit was buying houses they couldn't afford to profit from those who couldn't afford a house deposit. It is the added competition to purchase housing which raised the prices, not immigrants.

Wages were higher relative to the job position and qualifications and this is for any number of reasons. More and more kids are getting pushed through university with the governments approach that there is a degree out there for everyone. We are also recovering from a financial slump. Your recalling of the good ol days does not provide any evidence and apart from mentioning incorrect correlation (See wages graph) just goes to show how hard we were affected by the financial crisis.

So where in the graph does it say wages were highest in the 90s?

That graph does not say anything unless you start taking into account living costs rent food etc..
I cam get a wage graph from Zimbabwe and show huge wage growth.
Just the same way when politicians talk about spending on the nhs we increased spending just because there is a extra zero at the end does not mean they have increased spending, it's when you look at proportions to national income you can say that, infact welfare spending in proportion to national income has dropped.

 

[pinkpill]

Double pay on Sundays was removed from Sainsburys and other supermarkets because slumps in profit growth scared stock holders. More people are buying online and using the supermarkets less, so tightening their belt is what they have to do to maintain similar margins in store to keep upper management happy. It is hard to justify the pay out when in store numbers are continuously falling short of targets, whereas they were being met before. How do i know this? I worked for tesco in between getting a proper job and leaving uni and had a good mate who was in HR at Sainsburys.

As for £9 an hour stacking shelves... ridiculous, i have someone in front of me now who worked in Sainsburys during the 90s and he said he got around £5.50. When i worked for Tesco they use to brag that their employees on the shop floor were better paid than competing supermarkets and have been for decades and they are getting £8-9 an hour now

We used to work sainsburys Cromwell Rd London and that's how much we got paid. They were about to drop double pay as there was a huge about of excess labour I the market and companies took advantage of that, I worked in Victoria wines and tanfy Sunday was always double pay, it disappeared after a while when consumers. Became used to Sunday trading, it was a ploy by companies to get Sunday trading.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Real wage IS adjusted for living costs.

 

[ci_newman]

I used to get just over 9 pounds stacking shelves in sainsburys when I was a teen later 90s, that's 17 years ago, I was offered double pay for Sunday's.
They get 7 an hour these days, a clear wage deflation for the same job, and where do you see double pay on sundays now.

Utter rubbish. I worked in Tesco in 2001 and earnt less than £5/hr on the shop floor. Ignoring inflation, employees are certainly not paid less today than they were all those years ago.

 

[ci_newman]

We used to work sainsburys Cromwell Rd London and that's how much we got paid.

Ah, so you haven't accounted for London Living costs then, just assuming everyone earnt that amount.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I used to get just over 9 pounds stacking shelves in sainsburys when I was a teen later 90s, that's 17 years ago, I was offered double pay for Sunday's.

I cannot believe this for one minute - 18 quid an hour for a job that is the very definition of unskilled labour? This is complete nonsense. The 9 quid sounds incredibly far fetched as well.

£9 an hour in 1995 is the equivalent of £16 today. On a full time basis before we even consider Sundays that is the equivalent of almost £30,000. To put beans on a shelf.

Sorry, but no. If it were true, which it surely isn't, it was massively over the top for a job like that.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

There is absolutely no mention of this Sainsburys pay decrease on any site i can google. All i can find is 3-7% constant year by year pay rises. I am gonna text my mate and ask him but i am pretty sure someone is telling porkies!

 

[pinkpill]

Utter rubbish. I worked in Tesco in 2001 and earnt less than £5/hr on the shop floor. Ignoring inflation, employees are certainly not paid less today than they were all those years ago.

We are talking before 2001.

 

[[TW]Fox]

We are talking before 2001.

So a 50% pay cut between 1995 and 2001.

Seems legit.

 

[scorza]

I can believe it - the market for low skilled workers in those days was definitely good for the workers. I've mentioned it before but I saw an advert in my local McDonalds in London back in those days for £10 an hour for a burger flipper. Good staff were hard to find. Then we have the leader of the in campaign Sir Stuart Rose admitting that wages would go up if we left the EU.

 

[pinkpill]

It was 50%payout when they took away double pay.

 

[.Lethal]

I cannot believe this for one minute - 18 quid an hour for a job that is the very definition of unskilled labour? This is complete nonsense. The 9 quid sounds incredibly far fetched as well.

£9 an hour in 1995 is the equivalent of £16 today. On a full time basis before we even consider Sundays that is the equivalent of almost £30,000. To put beans on a shelf.

Sorry, but no. If it were true, which it surely isn't, it was massively over the top for a job like that.

lol

I don't think anyone will believe it.

 

[Tunney]

We are talking before 2001.

I worked for Sainsbury's when I was in sixth form (97-99). I got paid £3.21 an hour.

 

[pinkpill]

Look how much labours got in the 90s and look how much they get now.

 

[pinkpill]

I worked for Sainsbury's when I was in sixth form (97-99). I got paid £3.21 an hour.

Was that in London and double pay for late night and weekends.

 

[pinkpill]

I cannot believe this for one minute - 18 quid an hour for a job that is the very definition of unskilled labour? This is complete nonsense. The 9 quid sounds incredibly far fetched as well.

£9 an hour in 1995 is the equivalent of £16 today. On a full time basis before we even consider Sundays that is the equivalent of almost £30,000. To put beans on a shelf.

Sorry, but no. If it were true, which it surely isn't, it was massively over the top for a job like that.

I never said 18 I said 9.