Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 400 43.3%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 523 56.7%
  • Total voters
    923
  • Poll closed .
Status
Not open for further replies.
Nate--IRL-- said:
Turkey joining will require a treaty wont it? Westminster decides whether the UK signs up to that, so no you won't have a say. It will be decided for you.

Nate
Click to expand...
Treaty change will probably just get pushed through by the EU tops if he keeps applying pressure about the migration crisis. Something tells me the EU is too soft to manage long if he turns the taps on full.
 
b0redj0rd said:
http://order-order.com/2016/03/17/tory-fury-at-budgets-eu-stealth-vat/

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2016/03/17/the-vat-rise-in-the-budget-that-did-not-get-a-mention/

We were always told by Labour when signing away our powers of self government in successive treaties that taxation was a red line issue. It would remain a matter for national determination. Recently the UK Parliament was united in wanting to scrap the tax on feminine hygiene products, only to be told under EU law we were not allowed to.

On 4 June last year the European Court of Justice upheld a complaint against UK tax policy brought by the EU Commission. They argued successfully that the UK is not allowed to tax “energy saving materials” at just 5% but has to impose a full 20% VAT on them. A long list of green or energy saving products, including insulation, draught strip, central heating controls, hot water system controls, solar panels, wind and water turbines, ground and air source heat pumps, micro combined heat and power units and biomass boilers are all subject to our reduced rate and were all adjudged illegal.

The government has decided it therefore needs to impose extra VAT on all these goods, bringing in an additional £65 million a year from next year. I for one will be opposing this measure, as I do not wish to see energy conservation taxed in this way and object strongly to the erosion of our taxation powers by the European Court. It will be interesting to see who will vote with us in opposing this needless and undesirable tax increase.
Click to expand...

Come on "innies" amuse me, give me a rebuttal to this.
 
Zethor said:
The European Court of Justice is not the EU.
Click to expand...

Well, you're technically correct: the European Court of Justice is part of the EU. The highest court in the EU, no less.

I think you're thinking of the European Court of Human Rights, which isn't.
 
Moses said:
El oh el. The European Court of Justice is. The European Court of Human Rights isn't.
Click to expand...

kindai said:
:rolleyes:
Click to expand...

Mr Jack said:
Well, you're technically correct: the European Court of Justice is part of the EU. The highest court in the EU, no less.

I think you're thinking of the European Court of Human Rights, which isn't.
Click to expand...

My point was this was not an EU decision, neither the EU Parliament nor the Commission had a say in it.

It was a decision taken by a recognized, supranational Court of Law. There are several other supranational judicial bodies that the UK recognizes such as the International Court of Justice or the European Court of Human Rights.
 
Zethor said:
My point was this was not an EU decision, neither the EU Parliament nor the Commission had a say in it.

It was a decision taken by a recognized, supranational Court of Law. There are several other supranational judicial bodies that the UK recognizes such as the International Court of Justice or the European Court of Human Rights.
Click to expand...

The ECJ rules on issues of EU law - so it was a law drafted by the European Commission and approved by the European Parliament. Easy mistake to make though - the whole EU set up is almost deliberately designed to be opaque.
 
Mr Jack said:
Why do you expect a rebuttal? The free market requires that we conform to the sales tax limits we agreed on. We broke the rules so now we need to make changes.
Click to expand...

He should call up George Osborne, if he wants a formal budgetary response. I'd just shrug my shoulders at that attempt at a point. Though conflating, yet again, so much unrelated dross it's plain hilarious won't go down much better with No 11, I'm sure.

For the record: The renegotiation of the 'Tampon Tax' was shot down in the Commons by a healthy majority. It's at the lowest allowable level, atm. And it is coming back under review in the near future anyway. Considering the other events, including our referendum, it's a fairly low priority non-issue, both for our chancellor and Europe, that a few grassroots out chaps are trying on to get at the female vote -- it ain't working.

Secondly, the chancellor used the current EU shenans to conveniently raise some cash on the green sector he doesn't particularly think much of, too. But he made no secret of it in the budget -- he needs the extra tax cash. The context played in his favour. Yet again nothing was 'done to us'. We did all the doing. Tis all.

In short: Dear Outers, we await, with quivering abandon, the future products of your RSS feeds. Much fun is yet to be had!
 
Last edited:
It seems I was well behind on the sanitary VAT issue.

Skunkworks said:
This just popped up on my RSS:
Click to expand...

Mine's better, and not completely made up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35834142. So much for your great tampon hope!

Something that's worth pointing out again for the slow readers amongst us as well:
A Commission spokeswoman said: "EU VAT rules are not imposed by the European Commission. They are decided on and agreed unanimously by member states.
"Contrary to some media reports, tampons do benefit from reduced taxation."
She added that under current rules, member states were not allowed to apply a zero VAT rate to a product unless all other member states agreed.
"Zero rates are an exception and run against generally accepted VAT principles. Most member states tax sanitary products like tampons at around 20% or more," she added.
Click to expand...
 
Mr Jack said:
Why do you expect a rebuttal? The free market requires that we conform to the sales tax limits we agreed on. We broke the rules so now we need to make changes.
Click to expand...


The Big bad EU made the UK follow the rules the UK Signed up to follow.

The *******s!

Look I do want the UK to leave, but Christ some of the arguments are ill informed at best.

Nate
 
Last edited:
eatcustard said:
Why worry if Turkey joins the EU, we the UK will vote out in June
Click to expand...


If we leave then think of those not so poor wealthy farmers/ Tory landowners losing thousands of pounds a year in CAP benefits because they own great swathes of moorland for which they receive hundreds of pounds per hectare even if they leave the land untouched for decades.
Farmers run a business like thousands of others so why should they receive a handout whether they need it or not ?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom