Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 400 43.3%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 523 56.7%

  • Total voters
    923
  • Poll closed .
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I said the EU is run by bureaucrats...

MEPs are not just like MPs, MPs propose legislation and vote on it, MEPs merely provide the rubber stamp...

Members bills don't have a very good record of ever making it into law.

MPs are appointed to ministerial posts and oversee govt departments, MEPs aren't

the elected governments of the states appoint commisioners that perform the same role. Is it more or less equitable than the prime minister of the uk appointing cabinet ministers?

EU legislation is proposed by unelected bureaucrats, EU departments are headed by unelected bureaucrats...

You don't elect ministers, it isn't even necessary that ministers are an elected mp (although usually they would be a lord, or made a lord pretty quickly).
 
Only through private member's bills which are rare. Most of the UK's legislation is proposed by quangos or government department, by mostly unelected civil servants.

the government which is headed by... government ministers (usually elected MPs)

That is true, but EU commission posts are chosen by heads of EU member states who in the UK aren't directly elected either.

so what, they're still elected as MPs

The first bit isn't any different to the UK, the second, I'll admit is true, but I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing.

The first bit is completely different to the UK - legislation, whether introduced by the current elected govt or by an individual elected member is introduced by people who are democratically accountable.

the second bit - I wasn't commenting on good/bad I was commenting on your statement that:

'They are no more run by bureaucrats than the UK is run by the civil service.'

which is demonstrably untrue
 
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Britain isn't a theocracy though is it. The Vatican is and North Korea is. Britain isn't.

Yes it is. The queen is acting as both the head of state and the supreme governor of the official state religion: Anglicanism.

All the laws of Britain derive their right to exist from the crown, which in turn derives its power from God.
 
was IN but now strongly leaning towards out.

the deal seems pretty weak and with greece saying they'll block it unless we/everyone takes more Syrians then it's likely to be thrown out or we'll have to make the exact move that we didnt want to and take more migrants.

i think Germany are holding out on redistributing the million+ migrants they've taken in, once a yes vote is confirmed Germany will start pushing us to take on tens of thousands of them, if not more.
 
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Unfortunately I am not educated enough on the matter to decide whether to vote in or out. I wish there was a full list of reasons for voting either side reasons from trusted sources. There's so much crap out there I don't know what to believe and what not to believe any more :confused:
 
the elected governments of the states appoint commisioners that perform the same role. Is it more or less equitable than the prime minister of the uk appointing cabinet ministers?

not really, no

You don't elect ministers, it isn't even necessary that ministers are an elected mp (although usually they would be a lord, or made a lord pretty quickly).

they are mostly elected MPs but regardless they're appointed by the elected leader of the party that gains the most seats in an election - they(roughly) represent the views of that party

European commissioners are appointed by individual countries, represent a whole range of political views and are supposed to represent 'the EU' ahead of national interests.
 
That's because many MEPs are not interested in building alliances and relationships with other MEPs. If they did, then we'd have much more influence to actually block laws. Of course, if we sit at the back of the room and complain when nobody listens to us then we're not going to get anywhere - that's why politicians need to be talking and negotiating.

Since you've just gone blind.

Since records began in 1996, the UK has not managed to prevent a single proposal placed in front of the Council of Ministers from becoming European law. This amounts to 55 measures that the UK opposed that have since become British law. Since 1973 the UK’s voting power in the Council of Ministers has decreased from 17% to 8%, in the European Parliament it has decreased from 20% to 9.5% and in the European Commission it has decreased from 15% to 4%. The UK has about 12% of the EU's population, it provides only 5% of the EU's staff and the situation is set to get worse. More than four in 10 British officials will be enjoying their retirement by 2020 and, based on the number of applicants in recent years, most of them will not be replaced (junior roles have only a 1.2% UK entrance rate). Over the last European Parliamentary term (2009-14),a majority of British MEPs(across UK party lines) opposed 576 motions out of a total 1,936 that were put before the European Parliament .Of those 576 motions, 485 were nonetheless approved by the rest of the Parliament despite the opposition of a majority of British MEPs. This is a failure rate of 84%. This rises to 89% in Economic & Monetary affairs & 98% loss in Budget votes. We are the 2nd worst represented in the EU parliament after France with 839,194 inhabitants per MEP (Lux 76,667 per MEP, Ireland 350,750, Italy 816,000). There is no "British Influence
 
i think Germany are holding out on redistributing the million+ migrants they've taken in, once a yes vote is confirmed Germany will start pushing us to take on tens of thousands of them, if not more.

i do think it will be a "well in order for us to get the deal approved the uk will have to take its fair share of migrants".

also im kinda waiting for in a few years when Germany just goes "right Syrians heres you EU passports go wherever you like"
 
It's set up the way it is to ensure fair representation per member state in the Council and the Commission. The presidency rotates. A free vote would produce unilateral institutions locked in for 5 years or more, imposing a singular national will on an international body. The current system isn't perfect, but it produces fairer results by design to represent the EU and its diverse interests as a whole.
 
Unfortunately I am not educated enough on the matter to decide whether to vote in or out. I wish there was a full list of reasons for voting either side reasons from trusted sources. There's so much crap out there I don't know what to believe and what not to believe any more :confused:
Believe in Boris Johnson. Like he said, he's like james bond come to save us from the Brussels baddies :D
 
100% out

Don't want my tax paying for minimum wage workers rent.

Can I go to france get a 16 hour a week cleaning job and get my full rent paid on a decent flat ? no so why the madness of opening our benefits up to 500 million ?

There's going to be trouble if the lefties vote us in, expect civil unrest against the middle and upper class I'm alright jacks.
 
I'm in a similar boat but working the the NHS I can't but help think out would be bad for the health service. :(

yes because ttip is really good for the health service.

It scares me that the ignorance runs so deep that someone in the NHS wants to vote yes to ttip.

There should be a test before you can vote, people who have no idea of the consequences shouldn't be allowed to vote.
 
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The last two polls I was 100% in favour of staying in (as I voted in 1973 to join). Now I am unsure and wavering in my position.

The libertarian in me says why not leave, we did fine before, but the world has moved forward and is more complex. I like the idea of Europe but dislike the entity it currently is.

I will think on a bit before I commit to this poll.
 
Unfortunately I am not educated enough on the matter to decide whether to vote in or out. I wish there was a full list of reasons for voting either side reasons from trusted sources. There's so much crap out there I don't know what to believe and what not to believe any more :confused:

Similar position to this...really on the fence and don't know which way to vote.

Have a polish wife and lots of european immigrant friends so knee jerk reaction is to stay in, however really don't know if it's the right choice to stay or go.
 
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