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Absolutely. That is very desperate. I'm an aerospace engineer with 2 degrees and one of those is a doctorate. The EU as it stands isn't right for the UK and it is going to get a lot worse as the EU becomes a closer union.
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Absolutely. That is very desperate. I'm an aerospace engineer with 2 degrees and one of those is a doctorate. The EU as it stands isn't right for the UK and it is going to get a lot worse as the EU becomes a closer union.
He never said it did.
He was pointing out that reprtedly in this thread that people have said that those wishing to vote out are uneducated.
Soldato
That teaches me to be tolerant... I thought you had some type of blindness and couldn't see to the left of the screen and didn't know your username is there!but alas just narcissism.
Tosno
Perhaps, but it must be the loosest definition of narcissism I've ever come across.
Hey! I'm not that old!
maybe I am...
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Caporegime
No, we've said that people who are educated are statistically more likely to vote in, and people who are uneducated are statistically more likely to vote out. This does not imply that any particular out voter is uneducated.
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Don
So everyone, educated or not is statistically likely to vote out? Huh?
Caporegime
So it's in the bag for the out camp then lol
Do think a lot has to do with people with more qualifications being more susceptible to world markets
Someone working in a car mechanic probably doesn't see Europe as anything more than a burden that we pay for and get dumped I for
I think both views are applicable for the Individual
I'm an outlier with a decent job degree but want out. But I grew up in a rural village with no crime (you could and did leave your door open 24/7
Last thing I want is that to change changeachangeas I think it's a lovely thing
If these immigrants came in and behaved and were thankful for. Opportunity I really wouldn't have an issue. Obviously it's a minority that cause problems. But you can't weed this out
Only way is to not let In waves and waves
Yes it's nasty, yes it's for selfish reasons. But it's where I sit
Someone working in a car mechanic probably doesn't see Europe as anything more than a burden that we pay for and get dumped I for
I think both views are applicable for the Individual
I'm an outlier with a decent job degree but want out. But I grew up in a rural village with no crime (you could and did leave your door open 24/7
Last thing I want is that to change changeachangeas I think it's a lovely thing
If these immigrants came in and behaved and were thankful for. Opportunity I really wouldn't have an issue. Obviously it's a minority that cause problems. But you can't weed this out
Only way is to not let In waves and waves
Yes it's nasty, yes it's for selfish reasons. But it's where I sit
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Migrants should be deported unless they find reasonable accommodation, I don't give a toss how harsh this might sound, but you can't just have more and more people coming over and living rough. It's not fair to them and it's not fair to UK citizens.
I think the piles of gobbed up seed husks really add to the character of the area.
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Conflating quite a few things again, chaps. I know, for whatever reason, you're panicked over whatever form of migration there is, but it really does need to be taken one thing at a time in proper context, preferably outside the pub; especially since you seem to ignore some obvious questions in your hunt for solid anecdotal evidence. Using your sound logic, what's next: a Yorkshireman in Southampton, a portent of stormy weather? 
Off the top of my head.
How would leaving the EU stop illegal immigration?
Would the cuts to the Home Office (including the Border Force) magically stop and reverse course outside the EU?
How can you lay the sovereign actions of our Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the door of the EU, specifically?
How, if the cuts continue and the room for cooperation is legally reduced through Brexit, would that make it a better public service, addressing your concerns?
Would bringing all border checks back on-shore improve or worsen the situation? Would it cost more or less?
What legal guarantees are there that, under a lesser, purely economic involvement with the EU, we would obtain the same freedom to deploy our border officials anywhere in the EU at short notice?
Why do you think we would suddenly get better at deporting people, who have no legal right to be here, after Brexit?
What would leaving the EU do to our capability to handle international crime and human trafficking?
What can leaving the EU really do about rogue landlords and gangmasters who flaunt the law?
Why can't we competently check the requirements (reason to remain, funds to support oneself, medical insurance, etc) EU citizens must meet to qualify for the rights and privileges of free movement, as things stand now?
If, as predicted, we will end up with Free Movement regardless, at the end of the whole exit process; what is the point of the whole argument, supported as it is on the populist Out side by conflating an anti-refugee sentiment, terrorism, religious prejudice and illegal immigration with a pinch of working class angst?
Ultimately, how much more privacy, money and freedom are you willing to give up for the Home Secretary to institute any meaningfully different crackdown in line with your preoccupations, in or outside the EU?
Another bravura display of soundbite crafting, or borrowing from tabloids, isn't really the answer to any of these questions.
Don't worry, you pre-empted the 'I'm a credible chap from the Out camp, and here's a law of averages' thing a few pages back, in the specific Kipper case, which sadly applies more broadly with stats and GD.
Mind, your understanding of statistical averages and that of the average Out voter is a vastly divergent series of comical errors. You assume universality of rational reasoning, they presume universal applicability of their irrational methods.
Off the top of my head.
How would leaving the EU stop illegal immigration?
Would the cuts to the Home Office (including the Border Force) magically stop and reverse course outside the EU?
How can you lay the sovereign actions of our Home Secretary and the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the door of the EU, specifically?
How, if the cuts continue and the room for cooperation is legally reduced through Brexit, would that make it a better public service, addressing your concerns?
Would bringing all border checks back on-shore improve or worsen the situation? Would it cost more or less?
What legal guarantees are there that, under a lesser, purely economic involvement with the EU, we would obtain the same freedom to deploy our border officials anywhere in the EU at short notice?
Why do you think we would suddenly get better at deporting people, who have no legal right to be here, after Brexit?
What would leaving the EU do to our capability to handle international crime and human trafficking?
What can leaving the EU really do about rogue landlords and gangmasters who flaunt the law?
Why can't we competently check the requirements (reason to remain, funds to support oneself, medical insurance, etc) EU citizens must meet to qualify for the rights and privileges of free movement, as things stand now?
If, as predicted, we will end up with Free Movement regardless, at the end of the whole exit process; what is the point of the whole argument, supported as it is on the populist Out side by conflating an anti-refugee sentiment, terrorism, religious prejudice and illegal immigration with a pinch of working class angst?
Ultimately, how much more privacy, money and freedom are you willing to give up for the Home Secretary to institute any meaningfully different crackdown in line with your preoccupations, in or outside the EU?
Another bravura display of soundbite crafting, or borrowing from tabloids, isn't really the answer to any of these questions.
Well that was a bad typo
Don't worry, you pre-empted the 'I'm a credible chap from the Out camp, and here's a law of averages' thing a few pages back, in the specific Kipper case, which sadly applies more broadly with stats and GD.
Mind, your understanding of statistical averages and that of the average Out voter is a vastly divergent series of comical errors. You assume universality of rational reasoning, they presume universal applicability of their irrational methods.
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Anyone else get the feeling that the most fervent of the remainers only have colleagues, not friends?
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I sometimes get the feeling a lot of In supporters who claim they have superior university educations and a better "understanding" of the global situation on their side are as much brain washed by populist left wing university indoctrination as radical Muslims have been brain washed by the anti western propaganda of their own peers
Caporegime
I sometimes get the feeling a lot of In supporters who claim they have superior university educations and a better "understanding" of the global situation on their side are as much brain washed by populist left wing university indoctrination as radical Muslims have been brain washed by the anti western propaganda of their own peers
LOL so true. I gotta say that one argument I love reading from the stay supporters is the one about education - it's almost as if they're saying "we know better than you, you should just vote how we tell you because we're better than everyone else". I can't help feeling every time that argument is made another batch of voters decide to vote Leave
I sometimes get the feeling a lot of In supporters who claim they have superior university educations and a better "understanding" of the global situation on their side are as much brain washed by populist left wing university indoctrination as radical Muslims have been brain washed by the anti western propaganda of their own peers
Better than being brain-washed by the Daily Epxress, I guess.
The problem most people have is with legal immigration though.
As not many brits compete with illegal immigrants for jobs.
Soldato
^ Someone finally gets it^
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It's easy to blame reading certain papers and other media for how some wish to vote on our EU membership, but the reality is they don't need the media at all to see how immigration has changed their towns, cities and ways of life. They put that before the future earnings of themselves and the country as a whole, as they feel it takes a greater precedent on their, and their children's future in the UK. It's amusing to say "Mail reader" or "Express reader", when the reality is they are just a cross section of the countries population blighted by excess immigration in one way or another who feel the EU Referendum may give them some chance to show their opposition.
Untrue.
As with issues like crime, people's perceptions are out of step with reality. When polled, the public vastly overstate the percentage of the population that are immigrants. In addition, the positive responses to the question 'does your local area have a problem with immigration?' are always lower than responses to 'does the nation have a problem with immigration?'.
The media has a key role in shaping opinion.
Soldato
Fourteenth most popular boys name last year in the UK (from the Office for National Statistics) ... Muhammad
Just thought I'd throw that out.
Just thought I'd throw that out.
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