Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[itchy]

To the pro EU crowd.

Just my personal take on your out look on the future.

 

[delta0]

Then why would the representative of the other nation sign it?

As a major importer of European goods the UK is in an extraordinary strong position to negotiate and get a very good deal.

 

[scorza]

To the pro EU crowd.

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Just my personal take on your out look on the future.

FYI the Tears for Fears version is much better.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Did the US have to sign up to EU laws when they got a free trade agreement? Didn't think so.

Did they get a free trade agreement like that we currently enjoy? No.

Go and import something from the USA and tell us all how great that free trade agreement is.

 

[bayo000]

As a major importer of European goods the UK is in an extraordinary strong position to negotiate and get a very good deal.

Heh? That actually puts UK in a weaker position imo. As it is UK imports about 50% of food. Spain or whoever might just say we'll stop selling you food and your people go hungry soon enough.
Surely the more self sufficient you are the stronger your position is.

 

[scorza]

Heh? That actually puts UK in a weaker position imo. As it is UK imports about 50% of food. Spain or whoever might just say we'll stop selling you food and your people go hungry soon enough.
Surely the more self sufficient you are the stronger your position is.

Latest from Project Fear: Vote Leave and you'll starve

In the extremely unlikely event of Spain deciding to screw over its own farmers and putting food sanctions on the UK, we'll just buy our food from somewhere else - like France, USA, Canada...

 

[[TW]Fox]

Latest from Project Fear: Vote Leave and you'll starve

In the extremely unlikely event of Spain deciding to screw over its own farmers and putting food sanctions on the UK, we'll just buy our food from somewhere else - like France, USA, Canada...

Ah yes, food from Canada, with 'free trade' Brexit style - with a bunch of tariffs

 

[Cosimo]

Ah yes, food from Canada, with 'free trade' Brexit style - with a bunch of tariffs

The tariffs make it even more tasty...

 

[scorza]

Ah yes, food from Canada, with 'free trade' Brexit style - with a bunch of tariffs

Tariffs or not any country that produces food for export will be willing to sell it to us. Unless you think that by Leaving the EU we'll become a North Korean-like rogue nation and everyone's going to put sanctions on us.

 

[sityeuropa]

Europe is screwed eventually however way you look at it. The problem can is being kicked down the road. We may as well make the adjustment now.

 

[bayo000]

Edit. Deleted my post as I quotted wrong one and my post didn't make sense

 

[Freakbro]

Latest from Project Fear: Vote Leave and you'll starve

You are now being ridiculous, he was just using an example that someone who is reliant on the goods is generally in a weaker position in negotiations than those supplying the goods, but of course it is a symbiotic relationship.

And can we at least try and have sensible discussions without throwing in stupid soundbites like 'Project Fear' Of which Mr Jack gave a very good rebuttal a few pages back....which if you missed it was in reply to a point made that the Stay Campaign seemed very negative

Some of that is simply the nature of the beast. If we were discussing joining the EU campaign then all the benefits of the EU would be positive points that the In campaign could make; but because we're already in the EU many of the positive points are converted to negative ones about leaving.

For instance, if we were campaigning to join I'd be saying "joining the EU would boost our economy by around 4-8% over the next five years" instead of saying "leaving the EU is likely to reduce economic growth by around 4-8% over the next five years". Instead of saying "every UK citizen will gain the right to live and work anywhere in Europe", I'm saying "you will face new barriers to living and working in the EU if we leave" and so on.

There is nothing wrong in pointing out the negatives in leaving, what is wrong (on both sides) is making stupid exaggerated claims of doom and gloom or everything will be a land of milk and honey

 

[[TW]Fox]

Tariffs or not any country that produces food for export will be willing to sell it to us. Unless you think that by Leaving the EU we'll become a North Korean-like rogue nation and everyone's going to put sanctions on us.

Nobody disputes that, the point is that it'll be more expensive. Other countries do not like tariff free trade as the corresponding imports harm domestic producers of which there are many in North America.

 

[scorza]

Nobody disputes that, the point is that it'll be more expensive. Other countries do not like tariff free trade as the corresponding imports harm domestic producers of which there are many in North America.

Good job there's no way in hell Spain is going to impose food sanctions on us then isn't it.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Good job there's no way in hell Spain is going to impose food sanctions on us then isn't it.

I don't know why you keep using the term 'sanctions'. The correct word is tariff and its used commonly across the world.

 

[platypus]

'Sanctions' fit his histrionic diatribe much more neatly though, doesn't it.

 

[a1ex2001]

Good job there's no way in hell Spain is going to impose food sanctions on us then isn't it.

Where did the sanctions come from? It would be perfectly normal for the EU to impose all sorts of trade tariffs on us to protect the internal market of the EU and unfortunately by the time we know what these will be and what goods will be effected it will be too late as we will already be in an irreversible process so while we could get a good deal and everything be rosey we could get a crap deal and have to suck it up.

 

[jimjamuk]

Are you lot still arguing? Its almost as bad as a religion post this thread

 

[scorza]

I don't know why you keep using the term 'sanctions'. The correct word is tariff and its used commonly across the world.

Because I was responding to a post made my bayo000 who was talking about a scenario where Spain stopped its farmers selling us food altogether - that's a sanction, not a tariff.

 

[Btone]

the way i look at it, if we leave, the farmers will loose their subsidies. now as a farmer i won't mind loosing my subsidies as long as the RED tape goes as well. but that not going to happen. here in NI the dept of argi employs more people that there is full time farmers and no politician is going to lay off several thousand people. So what we get is more red tape and less/no subsidies and if that happens i can see a lot of farmers doing what i'll do. shut the farm down so that i produce food mainly for my self and family, only sell a very small amount, and use my unused land for non food production.