Caporegime
Stop being such a pedant Moses. Under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty we will have a free trade agreement with the EU if we Leave. Free trade means no tariffs.
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You really expect some random dude on a forum to be able to accurately predict that?
But for "competitive price" then that would be, thinking sensibly, a lrice that was simmilar to othwr imported cars from korea, japan and the usa in the uk.
So that the EU products are not priced ao much higher than thier competitors due to tariffs they become unsellable.
Doesnt the guillotine rule mean that in that case we will also have free movement still.
As ending that cuts all the other treaties
Indeed the EC has been clear that free trade has the requirement of freedom of movement amongst other things.
Soldato
This is more like asking ridiculous questions. Is it really hard to grasp that EU businesses will want to sell their products into the UK at a competitive price?
Competitive pricing is based on a comparitive between similar products on their cost. So in this case the cost of a VW Golf relative to something similar like a Honda Civic. EU industry will put immense pressure on Brussels to keep their products competitive with its largest export market.
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Just to jump in here:-
Would the UK being out of the EU mean the government could step in to save Port Talbot Steelworks?
Is there any mileage in the UK government not really doing as much as it could to help because of fear of upsetting the Chinese and then unexpected "delays" appear when the Chinese start building our power stations?
From a Wales POV. Doesn't Wales receive a net benefit from being in the EU?
Is it likely that businesses will sort themselves out eventually, some will win, some will lose and the vacuum left by the EU bureaucracy will just be filled with UK bureaucrats.
In my feeble mind, if nothing too dramatic changes with business and government bureaucracy, then if it boils down to just net monetary gain, Wales is better off in the EU.
Would the UK being out of the EU mean the government could step in to save Port Talbot Steelworks?
Is there any mileage in the UK government not really doing as much as it could to help because of fear of upsetting the Chinese and then unexpected "delays" appear when the Chinese start building our power stations?
From a Wales POV. Doesn't Wales receive a net benefit from being in the EU?
Is it likely that businesses will sort themselves out eventually, some will win, some will lose and the vacuum left by the EU bureaucracy will just be filled with UK bureaucrats.
In my feeble mind, if nothing too dramatic changes with business and government bureaucracy, then if it boils down to just net monetary gain, Wales is better off in the EU.
Caporegime
Sneaky so-and-so's that they are in the EC, they've started negotiating before we've even had the vote. There are numerous precedents set that free trade does not have free movement as a requirement, it's an absolutely stupid argument.
Caporegime
Yes, currently the UK has to abide by EU rules which preclude state intervention in the steel industry. The most the UK government can do is put a paltry 24% import tariff on illegal steel from China (faced with the same problem, the USA put a 266% import tariff on). In the interests of balance it's important to note that just because the government *could* intervene to save Port Talbot, it doesn't mean that they actually *would*.
Caporegime
I don't see the relevance - it's still the EU that makes the law that says the max tariff we can impose is 24%, the process by which the EU makes these laws isn't transparent.
If we left the EU then we'd be free to set whatever tariff we wanted against illegal Chinese steel, and we could hold the government to account if they didn't.
If we left the EU then we'd be free to set whatever tariff we wanted against illegal Chinese steel, and we could hold the government to account if they didn't.
Just like we'll hold them to account for the snooper's charter? We may have the power to set import duties, but we wouldn't, especially with a Conservative administration.
In the real world, your point is completely irrelevant.
Caporegime
Most people outside of this forum think the Snooper's Charter is a good thing. That's fine if the Conservative government don't want to set import tariffs, people can remember that at the next general election and vote for them or not. Who we can't vote for however is the largest parliamentary group in Brussels, the EPP who will likely decide who the next President of the EC is.
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Do the Europhiles have anything other than the balance sheet, i.e. cultural and societal advantages to remaining?
Most of the public don't care about cheap chinese steel either. Nothing will change here.
Caporegime
I think you'll find people do care about jobs, in fact it's one of the things they care the most about. How out of touch can you be?
No its not at all.
If the 60k vw used to be competitively priced against other 60k models but now has an artifical 10k tariff on it it is no longer competative.
People care right up untill it costs them money.
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Quote for truth
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On what grounds are you making that claim?
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...e_in_motor_cars#Contribution_of_Member_States
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6760204/6-27032015-AP-EN.pdf
We are not the largest EU export market for cars or in general. Nor is the majority of EU cars made here. We are a service-based economy, with strong niches; these won't be enough in and of themselves to provide a stable economic outlook outside the EU.
Do you mean Ireland would miss us? They are already an ally, and have been bending over backwards to assist us in our negotiations; how can they do any more to fight our corner after we depart?
Isn't VW one of the largest car making groups in the world atm, with a robust manufacturing base on the continent, anyway? Meaning they won't have a particular need to intercede on our behalf, considering how little splash we make to their bottom line. Even for a popular brand like the Audi (part of VW), we only consume 9.8% of the total sold. Some negotiating boon that!
Just because prices may go up here post-Brexit, does not mean they will do so globally, and in the EU's actual largest export markets. It will be less of a factor still when TTIP goes online, and they smooth things over with China in the long-term.
Caporegime
Why would it cost us money?
We bailed out the bankers, which cost us a lot of money - why not do the same thing for steelworkers?
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