Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

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v0n said:
There is no "Norwegian" or "Swiss" scenario or any other ties-with-EU-without-EU without full compliance with most of the EU laws and without freedom of movement. Which are the two most repeated cons of EU membership. If Britain is to leave EU specifically to stop being bound by EU laws and stop freedom of movement, it means it would have to reject Swiss/Norwegian scenario, or even Andorran scenario, it would have to be more like Mexican FTA. Except - what exactly would be the leverage? What would this post-EU, "sovereign" Britain manufacture that EU desperately needed?
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Thought this myth that Britain doesn't manufacture anything any more had been well and truly busted. As for our leverage - how many BMWs/Mercs/VWs are bought in Britain every year? It's nonsense to suggest that we're in a weak negotiating position in the event of Brexit.
 
scorza said:
Thought this myth that Britain doesn't manufacture anything any more had been well and truly busted. As for our leverage - how many BMWs/Mercs/VWs are bought in Britain every year? It's nonsense to suggest that we're in a weak negotiating position in the event of Brexit.
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I asked what Britain manufacture that EU cannot immediately make themselves and you answer with "we buy a lot of their cars"?
 
scorza said:
Thought this myth that Britain doesn't manufacture anything any more had been well and truly busted. As for our leverage - how many BMWs/Mercs/VWs are bought in Britain every year? It's nonsense to suggest that we're in a weak negotiating position in the event of Brexit.
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Indeed. Just because several large industries are no longer Britain's bread and butter doesn't mean that we don't make anything.

Lots of high tech/high end stuff still bears a Made In Britain label and is highly prized overseas.
 
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Lots of jerbs in the EU are dependent on the UK too. The suggestion they'd give us unfavorable terms out of 'spite' is ridiculous.
 
Insanties_birth said:
People do seem to forget that part but yeah, wouldn't that mean even if we leave the EU we'll probably just renegotiate access to the open market anyway and so the actual financial results of leaving EU can't be all that catastrophic?
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Under this scenario, the big problem is the months or years of uncertainty between the referendum and the final agreement and the accompanying damage to the UK economy.

We're mainly just pitching being able to vote on EU affairs (not likely to matter in the large scale of things, most votes will hedge to realistic options and our votes will so rarely be the clutch decider that guarantee brilliant results in our favour) vs having our democracy back. Not sure if I'm missing something within that bargain but leaving and doing a simple trade agreemant with them could be best option over all.
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I'm baffled as to why people think that being bound by a bunch of rules over which we'd now have no say at all represents a boost to British sovereignty.
 
scorza said:
Thought this myth that Britain doesn't manufacture anything any more had been well and truly busted. As for our leverage - how many BMWs/Mercs/VWs are bought in Britain every year? It's nonsense to suggest that we're in a weak negotiating position in the event of Brexit.
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Not just the stuff we buy / sell but lets be honest, the credibility and strength of the EU is diminished greatly during a migration crisis, financial crisis and brexit anyway. It's not going to be good for them as they'd just be a collection of less influential nations, who's really running scared of germany and france at the moment? We're mainly strong when together and if they fear we'll really leave (I believe they're just testing the waters and trying to bargain cheaply with us) then they could very well put up a better offer. They're just a bit power mad at the moment and want to dictate all the laws we have. I'm going to wait closer to the time to see which way I vote, I'd like to see how honest and open the politicians seem during the run up, getting a hint of the mood and behaviours of them will certainly help in understanding the mentalities of the political environment we're going to be put in. The in side having to rely on a lot of fear so far is really not winning any prizes with me, if they have the economic argument in the bag I wonder why they're resorting to such fear tactics so early on, suggests a lack of faith in the merits they should be able to put forward for the EU. I'm going to be happy whichever way it turns out to be honest, I'm just going to look at the positives. Freedom of our own government, accountability, lack of EU top down regulation and EU member nation self interests vs economic stability and progression in the Euro zone to a beneficial environment for us all and reforms already put forward. We'll get over whatever bad things occur one way or another.

I'm really disappointed in david cameron too, I understand he is pro EU but how can he be so blind and arrogant about his position? He should be the last person to be parroting the term 'a leap in the dark', he is the prime minister and should be outlining what he is going to do if we leave the EU. Quite poor to see he has no reflection of his position and willingness to plan for either eventuality. I hope Boris leaving has stirred some sense that not everyone wants the EU and he'll actually work harder to be impartial (he can have a preference and push it but he has to not act like it's someone elses job to pick up the pieces if it goes south). As a prime minister he's failing to be prepared and to give us the options for what he can do given our vote.
 
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b0redj0rd said:
Lots of jerbs in the EU are dependent on the UK too. The suggestion they'd give us unfavorable terms out of 'spite' is ridiculous.
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OK, I'm probably not wording my question right. Look. Should EU decide to slap prohibitive customs duty on all exports from "sovereign" UK, that obviously won't change demand for EU products inside the UK (which is what your picture represents). Your picture demonstrates why Britain needs EU, I'm asking for reverse, what do we have that they don't? What does Britain export that they would fear losing?
 
scorza said:
Thought this myth that Britain doesn't manufacture anything any more had been well and truly busted. As for our leverage - how many BMWs/Mercs/VWs are bought in Britain every year? It's nonsense to suggest that we're in a weak negotiating position in the event of Brexit.
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The French and German politicians will explain to their voters that they have to accept doing trade with Britain as they always have but only German and French tax payers will contribute to the EU budget and only they have to accept the 'uncontrollable EU migration'. The voters will then say 'Great deal, where do we sign, we have cars to sell so why not?'. All the perks for Britain, no obligations, because cars. :rolleyes:
 
Zethor said:
The French and German politicians will explain to their voters that they have to accept doing trade with Britain as they always have but only German and French tax payers will contribute to the EU budget and only they have to accept the 'uncontrollable EU migration'. The voters will then say 'Great deal, where do we sign, we have cars to sell so why not?'. All the perks for Britain, no obligations, because cars. :rolleyes:
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You make it sound like trading with Britain is a negative - the French and German economies benefit massively from trade with the UK, and we benefit massively from trade with the EU. What's not to like about that?
 
dowie said:
OK what else caused that sudden drop in sterling then?
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Sterling drops and it rises - it's a natural consequence of currency exchanges. A short, sharp drop might make for good dramatic headlines, but it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
 
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The pound fell the most since May 2010 after London Mayor Boris Johnson, one of the U.K.’s most popular politicians, said he’ll campaign for Britain to leave the European Union in a June referendum.

Sterling dropped at least 1.2 percent against all its 16 major peers, reversing a gain made on Friday when Prime Minister David Cameron secured a deal on membership terms with EU leaders in Brussels.
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These were quite clear reactions to a rather important news event, it was quite a clear drop not just some noise
 
scorza said:
Sterling drops and it rises - it's a natural consequence of currency exchanges. A short, sharp drop might make for good dramatic headlines, but it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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it doesn't mean 'nothing' it is a reaction to the increased chance that we'll exit the EU
 
deuse said:
As already talked about. It happens all the time and not enough info.
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To be fair, it's not a big leap to make the connection to Bojo, hell they were saying this was the cause on business news this morning.

Now whether it's just a small blip (probably) or a sustained trend will have to be seen.

But we can expect Sterling to devalue on a Brexit, but as always even that is a double edged sword, it's bad for importers but good for exporters.
 
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