No quite, however I'd much rather be outside watching and responding to the catastrophe unfold than be inside and trying to manage the situation. I think that either the EU will collapse at some point whether we're in or out, the only alternative is for complete integration where the governments in Brussels and Berlin effectively take over the basket-case governments in southern Europe - that will not be pretty at all.
Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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No quite, however I'd much rather be outside watching and responding to the catastrophe unfold than be inside and trying to manage the situation. I think that either the EU will collapse at some point whether we're in or out, the only alternative is for complete integration where the governments in Brussels and Berlin effectively take over the basket-case governments in southern Europe - that will not be pretty at all.
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I'm not sure what I would vote. But I don't really trust wither side to lay bare the facts of an exit/staying in. I want better reasons than 'hur dur immigrants'.
Any sort of news creates uncertainty in the market, it doesn't mean the UK economy will be damaged long term by leaving the Euro
What have they got to do with anything? You're not voting for any of them to be in power
The main reason is so that the people we vote into power are the people who make all of the laws and decisions, that way we can be sure that if our leaders make terrible decisions we can remove them from power in a general election. Even if you agree with all the decisions the EU is currently making, in 10 or 20 years we may not, and we'll have no way of taking back control at that point. There's a reason millions of people have died for the power to elect their own leaders
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Currency rates are not that much of a concern for me. And it affects my job.
I sell Antec in EURO currency. Everybody thinks it's the end of the world because the EUOR:GBP has dropped from 1.40 down to 1.28. But it seems that everybody forgets that the rate was around 1.20-1.25 for almost 3 years and it only went up when Greece causes issues with the Euro value by defaulting on payments etc for their loans.
So it's only going back to levels prior to the Euro crashing in value.
I sell Antec in EURO currency. Everybody thinks it's the end of the world because the EUOR:GBP has dropped from 1.40 down to 1.28. But it seems that everybody forgets that the rate was around 1.20-1.25 for almost 3 years and it only went up when Greece causes issues with the Euro value by defaulting on payments etc for their loans.
So it's only going back to levels prior to the Euro crashing in value.
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Because the Euro has been in the toilet for ages.
More significant is the USD and $1.4 is approaching lows not seen since the financial crisis. Some of this is because of low interest rates with no clear timescale for a rate hike, some of it is because of the potential for a Brexit.
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Yea, the £ has dropped what, ~17% on the $ over the last 18 months - and that mainly is due to the interest rates not looking to increase.
But the Brexit uncertainty is going to further exacerbate the devaluation in the short term, and no-one knows what will happen long term
Which way did you vote at the last European elections? Did you vote for the party that doesn't even bother to turn up to votes?
Attack the argument not the person
I thought that this graphic was interesting:
Why so little love for Portugal? I thought that there was a thriving ex-pat community in Algarve.
It's a pretty poor country tbf... you just wouldn't chose it over Spain, imo. Unless you like fishing? But then you would probably just go France?
Sorry, but that's utter nonsense. If in the future the EU makes a decision that Britain really can't live with, we could just leave. Voting to remain in the EU doesn't mean we have to stay in the EU until the heat death of the universe, it just means we'd like to *currently* stay in.
I've yet to hear a single compelling reason for voting to leave.
Saying something's utter nonsense isn't an argument. I agree we could leave in the future if something drastic happened, but that's not how these things work. What actually happens is that year on year small changes are made that aren't really picked up on until eventually we're voting in a Prime Minster of Europe.
Hilariously the deal David Cameron made to stop that happening has to be ratified by the MEP's, and they'll only do that after the vote. So what's stopping us voting to stay in and then the deal not going through the European parliament?
I'd rather be in a union with the Americans or a common wealth union, we're so much closer culturally it would make much more sense.
I hope you're all looking forward to Turkey joining the EU by the way, the country with open borders to the entire Middle East.
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Maybe it only needs EU workers due to the heavy entry requirements for migrants looking to legitimately get here from the rest of the world.
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It means everything to mine and your pensions!
Turkey isn't going to join the EU any time soon. Its current regime is completely incompatible with the EU.
I don't understand what is nonsense? he wants an accountable/ elected Government. Something that we don't have entirely with membership to the EU.
They have made decisions that a lot of people don't agree with. Hence we are trying to re-negotiate now, and having a referendum. As we are seeing now, you can't just "Leave". There is a whole process behind it.
As for compelling reasons, I don't know what you find compelling to you but;
Save on the outrageous membership fee. I believe we are net contributors to the EU (put in more than we get out ). Also we will not be dragged into subsidising the Euro area or standing behind failing banks in the Eurozone.
We will be able to set our own levels of VAT, and avoid any new taxes we do not want.
UK will be able to decide how much regulation to impose on business trading in the UK or the rest of the world outside the EU.
UK will be able to accelerate free trade agreements with the USA, China, India and the other important growing markets of the world.
We can decide our own criminal justice policy, and who to deport.
We can decide our own foreign policy, and not get sucked into the EU’s conflicts with others.
Like I said earlier, I think we can get back to being a fairer democracy.
I would be more worried about Osborne's plans... scrapping all tax relief.
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