Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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Could use the funding though; and no, if you actually had bothered to look at how much European cash matters in our research, you cannot compensate by simply making the bottom 20% of earners in our country work harder and pay more taxes. The horse in animal farm worked 'harder' too, look where it got it...
You do know how brain drains start, don't you?
You think our best and brightest will just jump ship into Europe? Interesting view on things.
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And what happens when we reach full employment? If jobs are still being created, someone must fill them; or the potential in the economy is wasted! We don't take up enough jobs in the low-skill sector and don't produce a great many people in shortage, high-skill occupations and target sectors. Hence the bimodal distribution of migrant workers.
To what end? We can always have more people and more jobs. That argument doesn't make sense
This can never happen anywhere. Please stop posting rubbish. Or go back to your game forum
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Have you checked the international profile of our leading research departments? Researchers follow the money for their work. We continually 'gyp' them, as Tefal likes to put it, Europe not so much. And the youngsters who want to amount to anything in research will follow the best people, on average. Americans aren't too shy about extending offers of employment either. Did you think Cambridge or MIT grew out of just hard work, native earnestness and daring-do?
A more direct question: how many first wranglers of the Tripos you can name who amounted to anything in science after their graduation in the last 50 years? Slim pickings. You need more than that to 'make Britain great again'. Especially today.
Sorry, I made my point rather poorly. It seems like once we get into the details of the matter, we need such a wide variety of workers that it's more efficient just to let anyone willing to work from the EU in.
We need unskilled, semi-skilled, skilled and professional workers. I doubt any government is capable of guessing the demand for each industry in advance.
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This can never happen anywhere. Please stop posting rubbish. Or go back to your game forum
Read the definition of full employment. Try again.
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What happens to developed nations with low birth rates and little immigration? Did you think Germany takes so many people in out of the pure goodness of their bleeding-liberal heart?
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noun: full employment
the condition in which virtually all who are able and willing to work are employed (cough)
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http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fullemployment.asp
There you go. Your education is progressing nicely, deuse. We'll make a stellar amateur economist out of you yet!
So we 'gyp' them now? So they are already leaving for foreign lands? So, what changes if we leave? They still leave to foreign lands? Nothing really changes? Or am I just not understanding?
I just can't see investment/ trade/ workforce abandoning Britain if we leave? Maybe I am wrong. But I am pretty sure we heard exactly the same horror stories when it came to adopting the Euro. Think we managed just fine (if not better) without the Euro.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-full-employment-mean-george-osborne-britain
"Actual zero unemployment is considered undesirable on the grounds that it would allow employees to demand the pay they wanted"
Don't worry, the fantastic part about not having Angela Merkel in charge of your country is that we can just let loads of people from the rest of the world in, should we decide. It's having that ability to make your own choices that's important.
I would have thought it would be the other way. The U.K. Can actually drop taxes and stimulate the economy because the EU won't be able to block it with their anti subsidisation rules. Means we can actually be competitive again.
The pound has started going back up. Now stop stressing
I'm not... I was pointing out factual information
I would be leaning towards your way of thinking too. I just can't see a mass exodus of any kind if we leave.
But I could be wrong!
And how would that work though. This comes up time and time again" let in only desirable immigrants"
Well how to do you find out who is desirable? the desirability of an immigrant depends entirely on the employer, an investment bank in the city has different requirements to a software form in Cambridge who has different requirements to a North sea oil operation, who has different requirements for an east Anglican fruit farmer who has different requirements to a Cornish fish processing factor who has different requirements to a factor in the midlands or a hill-sheep farmer in Cumbria.
How to do you determine all the different desirable characteristics, skills, education levels, experience of every job opening across the entire country in a real-time manner under a reasonable cost?
A simple solution is to let employers decide what characteristics and skills they find desirable for the job they are hiring for. This has the advantage that the people who know the most detail about workers they desire make the important final employment decisions, the work is completely distributed so only those employers seeking increased workers have the burden of effort, workers can be hired as quickly as possible to full-fill required roles maximize productivity, there is no increase in taxation required to fund an ineffective government agency, and market economics will drive efficiency.
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Our universities benefit from European grants and their own income to keep them on the projects. The current REF system to apportion our own gruel, is so laughable, it's tragic. If one of the two goes, and the government invests at its current marginal rate in research, the outcome becomes clear. This of course against a background of big mergers on the continent and more money for research. And as I said, the US won't be sleeping on its laurels either. In the academic game -- you pay or you die. The Ivory Towers are no more, and the sense of national duty won't raise a family or mortgage a house.
In a more applied sector: Why do you think our doctors and nurses quit for greener pastures?
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Correct, and it effectively means that David Cameron is asking people to take him on trust
rolleyes - what is to stop Tusk, Merkel et al reneging on the deal after Cameron has successfully conned the British electoriate?This idiot ignored a big rule of negotiation - you need to let the other side know that if you don't get something close to what you want then you are fully prepared to walk away. He was never prepared to do that, was content to take the crumbs he was thrown and then let 'Project Fear' handle the rest. How convenient that it all came together on Friday night just in time for the 10 o'clock news ...
In truth, there was never any chance of me voting for anything other than OUT anyway, but the final straw was watching Cameron have the brass neck to appear on the Marr show yesterday and try to tell me that the word 'sovreignity' means something totally different to the given meaning in the dictionary on my bookshelf. No 'Dave', sovreignity does not mean 'getting things done', it means the absolute power of a country to make its own laws and run its own affairs.
Useless, spineless and a barefaced liar to boot.
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