Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

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aardvark said:
i know right - how dare they ask people who want to vote to actually register to vote :rolleyes:
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That's only one side of the argument, so the other side: "However, Gloria De Piero, Labour’s shadow minister for young people and voter registration, said the huge decline in voter numbers was “due to the Tory government’s rushed changes to electoral registration, against the advice of the independent Electoral Commission who warned it would result in thousands of people falling off the electoral register”.

“Today we see that over 600,000 people have dropped off the electoral register in the last year. What’s more, there has been a shocking 40% drop in 16- and 17-year-olds registered to vote,” she said.

De Piero also accused the government of having speeded up the changes to tilt the electoral system in its favour.

“What’s worse is that the government are shamelessly taking this as an opportunity to redraw constituency boundaries based on an electorate that is far lower than it should be,” she said. “This is another example of David Cameron and the Conservative party trying to rig the system for their own political ends.”"
 
Basically the only argument for staying in is the economic one. And the staying in brigade are trying to scare everyone by predicting economic armegeddon if we quit.

But are the EU going to stop trading with us? No. Its a non-argument. Sure you can make an argument about lack of a say in Europe but when do when involve ourselves with these things anyway? We're about as "out" as its possible to get without actually being out.

Why not end this half-in, half-out and be done with for once and for all and gain some control over our affairs and our borders which we'll surely be either forced or shamed into relaxing sooner or later.
 
Of course there will be new trade agreements, but all those low prices from say France and Spain for their wines etc will shoot up to be much more costly. Everything we buy from other EU members will go up in price as they will no longer be restrained by the their EU agreement to keep the prices down.

Not to forget countries outside of the EU, with agreements through EU to keep their prices down.
 
Old Man said:
Of course there will be new trade agreements, but all those low prices from say France and Spain for their wines etc will shoot up to be much more costly. Everything we buy from other EU members will go up in price as they will no longer be restrained by the their EU agreement to keep the prices down.

Not to forget countries outside of the EU, with agreements through EU to keep their prices down.
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Do you realise how much more we already pay in the UK for wine than in France or Spain? I find it impossible to get a bottle for less than £5 now yet when I go to France there's only a few bottle over EUR5. I believe in Spain things are even cheaper.
 
Old Man said:
Of course there will be new trade agreements, but all those low prices from say France and Spain for their wines etc will shoot up to be much more costly. Everything we buy from other EU members will go up in price as they will no longer be restrained by the their EU agreement to keep the prices down.

Not to forget countries outside of the EU, with agreements through EU to keep their prices down.
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Then people will just buy less? Wine isn't a necessity.
 
Em3bbs said:
Then people will just buy less? Wine isn't a necessity.
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Or import more from elsewhere outside the EU, if it is cheaper. Then what will France/ Spain do when demand (in the hundreds of millions if not billions) falls?

Relax tariffs.

Didn't we import something like £16bn worth of cars from Germany in 2013? Maybe BMW/Merc buyers will now start buying Jags? Don't think BMW/Merc will want to lose that?

Why I am not convinced there will be any tariffs...
 
I see shots have been fired above. I wonder what the deleted posts were about -- immigration?

scorza said:
Do you realise how much more we already pay in the UK for wine than in France or Spain? I find it impossible to get a bottle for less than £5 now yet when I go to France there's only a few bottle over EUR5. I believe in Spain things are even cheaper.
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Lol, move out of Sussex, try getting your wine on offer or doing a Calais raid to stock up in bulk. ;)

Jokes aside:
I can buy a pint cheaper up North than I can here. Should the South take London and secede from the Union? Are the prices guaranteed to come down to northern levels, and not return to their previous mark in the Union or shoot up?

Prices vary, demand varies, exchange rates vary, logistics cost money (yes, magical fairies are a lie), cost of living varies, retailers' willingness to pass on savings -- you guessed it -- varies too; and thus your purchasing power varies across regions and countries.

In fact, start by closing Breitbart, and open an economics text written this side of the Industrial Revolution. It'll do you some good. Anyway, what's considered a low price is relative to where you live -- a free common market doesn't guarantee uniform low pricing everywhere, or indeed ever-falling prices everywhere.

Five quid for that anecdotal bottle (I'm looking at a 3.99 wonder here -- cheap, but proves a point), for an island nation with a strong currency and high level of development and standards of living, is better than the £9 it would cost with costlier trade, and that's before you start adding up everyone's profit margins.

We import a lot of common goods people take for granted on top of luxuries. Should we leave, and tariff and non-tariff factors affect importers, as they always do, our prices start to climb; since the level of demand will remain roughly the same, and the supply will begin to narrow.

Is the government going to offset that with more public debt? How long can this go on? Who will pay for it? If they choose to lower taxes at one end of the economy, to which end would you transfer the deficit? Gonna export more, sure -- what are you going to export, and what do you expect to make on that outside of the EU, with a gimped common market access should populists get their way?

Terminal_Boy said:
More Project Fear nonsense.
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Re NHS, Project Fear has a rather overweight kernel of truth. Have you looked at staffing levels? Demographics of said staff? Budgets? Junior doctors strikes? Demands placed on the service to be available 7 days a week on extended hours, with the same or lower resources between trusts?

Then people will just buy less? Wine isn't a necessity.
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Weak consumer confidence to boot?
 
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Old Man said:
Of course there will be new trade agreements, but all those low prices from say France and Spain for their wines etc will shoot up to be much more costly. Everything we buy from other EU members will go up in price as they will no longer be restrained by the their EU agreement to keep the prices down.

Not to forget countries outside of the EU, with agreements through EU to keep their prices down.
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and likewise we can open up markets to other non-EU countries and other non-EU products will get cheaper... it works both ways - everything we currently buy from outside the EU is subject to EU tariffs which aren't always in our interests and could be there to protect, for example, French farmers etc..
 
dowie said:
and likewise we can open up markets to other non-EU countries and other non-EU products will get cheaper... it works both ways - everything we currently buy from outside the EU is subject to EU tariffs which aren't always in our interests and could be there to protect, for example, French farmers etc..
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Could try, but the logistics may not work out in our favour, especially if this freshly-opened trade has to route via the EU countries in more than a few cases. Getting agricultural goods from Ukraine or Africa over say France, presents its own trade and legal challenges, even if the goods themselves are cheaper to produce at source.

It's not an obvious win. Nor is the developing world less exposed to risks in the supply chain and corruption than the EU, something people tend do forget. It's no good placing an order, if you don't get what you've ordered, in the right amount and to the right standard; if you get it at all.
 
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Interesting quote in The Evening Standard today from journalist Anthony Hilton:

I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
 
datalol-jack said:
It's not an obvious win. Nor is the developing world less exposed to risks in the supply chain and corruption than the EU, something people tend do forget. It's no good placing an order, if you don't get what you've ordered, in the right amount and to the right standard; if you get it at all.
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UK supermarkets have got plenty of expertise in getting their own way there...
 
dowie said:
UK supermarkets have got plenty of expertise in getting their own way there...
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I don't think scorza would trust them as far as he could throw 'em, tbf. So we are back at the old contradiction in the Out camp: a globalist market approach vs a protectionist welfare state.

As I keep repeating, you can't Brexit and win on both of those counts.

jas72 said:
They're not. :)

Of course if you listen to Boris Johnston then it's between 15% - 50% :confused:

Same as my wife's age depending on her mood :D
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Credible sources put it in the range of 10%-14%. But guess where they fall! The areas to do with our European and international obligations which involve Europe in some capacity! The stuff that was signed up to, passed parliament; so again -- nothing was transferred without a debate or vote by our MPs; conspirators have access to Westminster archives too, you know, they just choose to ignore them. I don't think even the unions ever claimed a figure anywhere near 50% -- BoJo lives up fully to his devil-may-care adventurist image! :D Let's see if he can back it up with anything against a Tory government, a Tory PM and the civil service checking his stats. :p
 
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Tunney said:
Interesting quote in The Evening Standard today from journalist Anthony Hilton:

I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
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I don't believe for one second that arch-globalist Murdoch is anti-EU, if he were, then his subordinate David Cameron would be campaigning for Leave.
 
It keeps getting thrown around that we would need to renegotiate a similar position to Norway or like Canada. I do not understand that mentality when we have a higher GDP than both these countries combined and a significantly higher population.

I appreciate the argument to play it safe, which could be viewed as a sensible decision, but this belief that we would be screwing ourselves royally if we left is folly.

Further to those putting up the FTSE36 as they've been named. These companies are globalised entities looking to achieve the best for their shareholders not the country. It is absurdly naive to think otherwise.

Further the argument that the EU has not necessarily done anything bad again is folly. This is a vote has the potential to shape the country for the next century so you have to take a long term view to what the EU will look like and whether we wish to be apart of it or not not the short term view of how it looks now.
 
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