Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[scorza]

That's why you are getting a referendum at a great national expense. I just hope the cost doesn't come out of the NHS or schools budget.

I hope it comes out of the money we give to the EU, but it won't, and we all know that's going up by a lot if we vote for the EU.

 

[deuse]

Bye bye EU
Bye bye Gimmigrents
Hello Greatness
I think I'm-a gonna have a beer
Bye bye EU
Bye bye old bag merkel
Hello the rest of the world
I feel like I'm alive
Bye bye merkel goodbye

There goes the gimmigrents to some where new
They sure look unhapply and sure look blue
They was here for the free money and everything
Goodbye you wasters my country is free again.

 

[McGray]

I hope the Wizard gave you a receipt.

 

[datalol-jack]

I hope it comes out of the money we give to the EU, but it won't, and we all know that's going up by a lot if we vote for the EU.

This Daily-Mail factoid has already been debunked a few dozen of pages ago. Their projection caught an estimate at a quarter to quarter estimated increase because of the way the formula reacted to our new GDP reporting standard.

The average is set to go down not up. But the Mail kindly avoided the facts and the commentary by the statistical boffins, sigh.

 

[scorza]

...
I think I'm-a gonna have a beer
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Make sure it's in a proper pint glass deuse (preferably with a handle at the side) - none of this 0.25l nonsense

 

[datalol-jack]

Make sure it's in a proper pint glass deuse (preferably with a handle at the side) - none of this 0.25l nonsense

What like a Beer stein? Make sure you've paid customs on that.

 

[scorza]

This Daily-Mail factoid has already been debunked a few dozen of pages ago. Their projection caught an estimate at a quarter to quarter estimated increase because of the way the formula reacted to our new GDP reporting standard.

The average is set to go down not up. But the Mail kindly avoided the facts and the commentary by the statistical boffins, sigh.

Well given that the EU has postponed the announcement of how much extra money they'll tell us to give them until after the referendum result is announced (wonder why lol), it's kinda hard to do anything other than estimate what the increase will be at this stage.

Would those be the same statistical boffins who said 13,000 Polish people would migrate here post 2001?

 

[deuse]

Make sure it's in a proper pint glass deuse (preferably with a handle at the side) - none of this 0.25l nonsense

 

[scorza]

What like a Beer stein? Make sure you've paid customs on that.

Nah - an old school British Beer Mug like these: https://www.rubylane.com/item/632271-004640/pair-vintage-glass-dimple-beer-mugs

I can still remember when they served pints in those in the Rovers' on Coronation Street - they make much more sense than current pint glasses as they help prevent your hand getting cold and your beer getting warm.

 

[datalol-jack]

Well given that the EU has postponed the announcement of how much extra money they'll tell us to give them until after the referendum result is announced (wonder why lol), it's kinda hard to do anything other than estimate what the increase will be at this stage.

Would those be the same statistical boffins who said 13,000 Polish people would migrate here post 2001?

The ONS and Eurostat have both the historical and projected data. Do have a gander and a ponder. The actual amount is set to go down as a trend. And the actual money we pay is never higher than the most up to date estimate.

You do realise that the only thing that has changed is that we've benefited from the EU more in the quarter and changed our method for presenting the GDP figures for the EU's consideration? We made the figure what it is. Not the bogeyman the Daily Mail told you about.

Still our esteemed boffins are better than the millions of Romanians and Bulgarians Farage promised us. Oh, wait! He doesn't use stats! He pulls **** out of his purple arse and hopes it sticks if he bangs on about it long enough! That's not how science works, I'm afraid, social or otherwise.

Nah - an old school British Beer Mug like these: https://www.rubylane.com/item/632271-004640/pair-vintage-glass-dimple-beer-mugs

I can still remember when they served pints in those in the Rovers' on Coronation Street - they make much more sense than current pint glasses as they help prevent your hand getting cold and your beer getting warm.

I concur. A handle is always handy.

 

[scorza]

European Parliament votes for thousands of British job losses. I know Saudi Arabia aren't popular here (I don't like them either), but the arms they buy supports the British Defence industry which in turn supports thousands of jobs. Saudi Arabia is also a very useful source of anti-terror intelligence for us. I don't really understand how annoying them will make us safer, which the stay campaign claims the EU facilitates?

 

[datalol-jack]

European Parliament votes for thousands of British job losses. I know Saudi Arabia aren't popular here (I don't like them either), but the arms they buy supports the British Defence industry which in turn supports thousands of jobs. Saudi Arabia is also a very useful source of anti-terror intelligence for us. I don't really understand how annoying them will make us safer, which the stay campaign claims the EU facilitates?

From the same headline:

but does not force European states to halt deals

From the same article:

The vote does not compel EU member states to act but it does increase pressure on Riyadh

So a largely symbolic vote to signal we stand by our belief in human rights, and humane treatment of civilians in conflict. But it's pretty much along the same lines of reasoning we used to put economic pressure on Putin over Ukraine too. Or is bombing civilians cricket now?

Saudi's knew it was coming for some time. Intelligence sharing continues. They haven't even withdrawn their ambassadors over the measure. Smarty points for deploying broadsheet reporting this time though.

 

[scorza]

From the same headline:

From the same article:

So a largely symbolic vote to signal we stand by our belief in human rights, and humane treatment of civilians in conflict. But it's pretty much along the same lines of reasoning we used to put economic pressure on Putin over Ukraine too. Or is bombing civilians cricket now?

Saudi's knew it was coming for some time. Intelligence sharing continues. They haven't even withdrawn their ambassadors over the measure. Smarty points for deploying broadsheet reporting this time though.

I didn't say those jobs would be lost, just that our friends in the European Parliament voted in favour of a course of action that would result in thousands of job losses in the UK. Fortunately we don't have a common foreign policy within the EU yet, so the EP isn't able to do anything other than blow hot air (at vast expense I might add). Nevertheless we should consider it a warning about the direction the EU wants to take - I wonder how much the French or Spanish or Hungarian MEPs really care about jobs in the UK defence industry?

 

[dowie]

Show me where you, or rawuk, got your projections from. Non-EU costs vs common market costs have a significant gap, and the balance favours the ol' reliable EU; which is richer, less corrupt, more legally sound and more stable than the Non-EU mass you keep bringing up. Especially since we sell services, first and foremost. Betting gambles against accounted for certainties won't get you far. So, in other words, instead of a gamble, show me a credible way in which this gap can be closed without affecting the volume of our trade, particularly on the things we do sell -- i.e. services? I think you will find the gap will still be there, but we shall lose out on the EU bit in the long run.

you're basically asking for a crystal ball...

I'm not sure maintaining the status quo simply because it is perceived as the 'safe' option is a good argument in itself either

 

[datalol-jack]

you're basically asking for a crystal ball...

I'm not sure maintaining the status quo simply because it is perceived as the 'safe' option is a good argument in itself either

The thing is -- the Out side hasn't even got that sort of divination paraphernalia at hand: it's a complete leap in the dark, with no psychedelic drugs or predictions!

I'm always open to arguments about world trade, but without at least rough data and deals in principle or in draft, it's impossible to give it any credible probability of success, given what we know now. I doubt they will offer that either. The populists in their ranks need to be overcome for starters, and it's not clear how it will be done by the globalists without costing Out votes.

 

[RDM]

The thing is -- the Out side hasn't even got that sort of divination paraphernalia at hand: it's a complete leap in the dark, with no psychedelic drugs or predictions!

I'm always open to arguments about world trade, but without at least rough data and deals in principle or in draft, it's impossible to give it any credible probability of success, given what we know now. I doubt they will offer that either. The populists in their ranks need to be overcome for starters, and it's not clear how it will be done by the globalists without costing Out votes.

You are effectively asking for the impossible. The EU isn't going to outline an exit deal in principle or draft because they want to ensure an in vote. Without that, regardless of what is presented you can just say "that's just conjecture " and dismiss anything put forward.

The reality (and this is speaking as someone who supports an in vote) is that the big players of the EU just do far too much business with the U.K. not to come to some sort of deal.

 

[C64]

It isn't working-age immigrants who are putting a strain on the NHS. EU immigrants pay more into the tax system than they take out. It's our own aging population that's the problem.

Without immigrant workers the NHS would collapse.

How is someone paying £60 tax a week and getting £600 month housing benefit and free nhs schooling etc etc etc a net contributor ?
people need to wake up and smell the bacon here, why should we pay for people to come here do part time and or low waged jobs housing benefit and tax credits ?

Sorry I don't want my tax to pay for some car washer/cleaner/carer to have a nice flat / house.

 

[dowie]

The thing is -- the Out side hasn't even got that sort of divination paraphernalia at hand: it's a complete leap in the dark, with no psychedelic drugs or predictions!

I'm always open to arguments about world trade, but without at least rough data and deals in principle or in draft, it's impossible to give it any credible probability of success, given what we know now. I doubt they will offer that either. The populists in their ranks need to be overcome for starters, and it's not clear how it will be done by the globalists without costing Out votes.

neither side has - like I said you're asking for a crystal ball there

 

[dowie]

nonsense how is someone paying £60 tax a week and getting £600 month housing benefit and free nhs schooling etc etc etc a net contributor ?
people need to wake up and smell the bacon here, why should we pay for people to come here do part time and or low waged jobs housing benefit and tax credits ?

Sorry I don't want my tax to pay for some car washer to have a nice flat / house.

not all of them per say - but certainly outside the EU we can have more control over who comes here

take the Big Issue for example - a magazine designed for people who've been homeless - now over a third of the sellers are Romanian simply because it was a method to get over here by being 'self employed' - we can knock that on the head right away if outside the EU while still allowing say Irish and Spanish nurses to come here and work in the NHS

 

[C64]

not all of them per say - but certainly outside the EU we can have more control over who comes here

take the Big Issue for example - a magazine designed for people who've been homeless - now over a third of the sellers are Romanian simply because it was a method to get over here by being 'self employed' - we can knock that on the head right away if outside the EU while still allowing say Irish and Spanish nurses to come here and work in the NHS

yes and were paying for their housing because their wages aren't