Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

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Mr Jack said:
But not so proud that they don't list their location as 'Solihull'...
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It's also quite amusing to contemplate the demographics of the population in each location and deuse's warped worldview. It looks like he's managed to retire in the more diverse of the two. Sweet irony! Maybe that's why he's so angry all the time? 'cause you know, things change and all that! :p
 
The special ********* has to pop in for last post before lock down. :D

I see both sides of the argument but what I don't see is, a solution to the housing, NHS, Education, logistics and infrastructure.

How do we pay for these costs from immigration from any country? :rolleyes:

Guess what? We might be able to afford it!!! :eek:

If we get out the EU and are saving 50mil + a day, what's the problem. ;)

Only then can we afford unfettered immigration from any country. :D
 
itchy said:
If we get out the EU and are saving 50mil + a day, what's the problem.
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We won't save 50mil a day. We get a sizeable chunk of that back in research investment, development grants, etc. It's unlikely we would actually save anything when you consider that we'd need to duplicate many of the EU's regulatory functions if we left and that's before you consider any of the economic arguments.
 
Mr Jack said:
We won't save 50mil a day. We get a sizeable chunk of that back in research investment, development grants, etc. It's unlikely we would actually save anything when you consider that we'd need to duplicate many of the EU's regulatory functions if we left and that's before you consider any of the economic arguments.
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He's ignored our rebate again, too. That figure is the gross amount, itchy.

From itchy's source: https://fullfact.org/economy/our-eu-...ee-55-million/
£55 million a day doesn't include the rebate and is not based on recommended figures
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itchy said:
Ok so why not get it all back? :confused:
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Let's say we're paying in £25m a day*, we're getting a lot for that money: the most obvious is free trade access but the EU also carries out a host of regulatory duties - consumer protection, product specification, safety standards, and so forth - that we would need to continue doing in order to maintain a safe, functioning, market economy. Even if we ignore the costs of setting up new institutions to replace these functions (or expanding existing institutions to cope), it's not clear that we can provide these functions for an annual cost less than we pay in because in the EU these costs are divided among nations whereas we'd bare the full cost if we were to leave.

This assumes, of course, that we don't re-enter the EEA. If we do that, we'll simply end up paying in again likely to a similar net level.

In short: the idea that we'd be richer by not paying in is dubious in its entirety and the idea we'd gain £55m/day is simply false.

* - that's likely about 25% higher than the real figure as per your source but I'll be generous.
 
If you want something doing properly? Do it yourself.

Applies to countries also, what is this fear of being alone is what I don't understand? :confused:

Why do we all have to coca cola join hands as world union. :rolleyes:

Just no on so many levels. :mad:

But I suppose that's just me being a special *********. :p
 
itchy said:
If you want something doing properly? Do it yourself.

Applies to countries also, what is this fear of being alone is what I don't understand? :confused:

Why do we all have to coca cola join hands as world union. :rolleyes:

Just no on so many levels. :mad:

But I suppose that's just me being a special *********. :p
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Oh dear. So many things to say, so little time. Well, since this thread is getting the lock soon, I bid you good night, and...

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for all the memes.
 
itchy said:
If you want something doing properly? Do it yourself.

Applies to countries also, what is this fear of being alone is what I don't understand? :confused:

Why do we all have to coca cola join hands as world union. :rolleyes:

Just no on so many levels. :mad:

But I suppose that's just me being a special *********. :p
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datalol-jack said:
It's a small fee to pay for the trade, investment and leverage that we get.
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Trade: We pay all that money to get to trade freely in a trading bloc that seems to be permanently in crisis. Meanwhile we're not allowed to make trade deals with the rest of the world which is growing.

Investment: LOL - just lol. We pay £13.5bn a year and get £4.5bn back. I dunno about you, but when I prefer investments where we get back more than we put in.

Leverage: I suppose you mean influence. Can you give me an example of some of this influence that we've used? As I see it, we've given away our most of influence and will continue to give the rest away if we stay in the EU. Cameron hasn't been able to influence the EU at all - either on EC President or getting what he said he wanted in his Bloomberg speech three years ago. Blair just did whatever he was told to do by the EU so not much evidence of influence there either. Finally, my last two words on the subject of influence - Katherine Ashton.
 
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