Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[Danthus]

Cameron is likely to call the referendum before any deal is ratified in the EU.

 

[Outcast]

Sorry to stir the pot with this bump but (I believe) this has only just been uploaded and is quite relevent <--deliberate typo

 

[scorza]

Barroso: Cameron's EU deal will not reduce migration to UK.

 

[b0redj0rd]

^^ I feel very sorry for the residents of Calais. France should just demolish the Jungle and deport the migrants back to their respective countries. 70% are from Africa and are purely economic migrants.

 

[deuse]

Sorry to stir the pot with this bump but (I believe) this has only just been uploaded and is quite relevent <--deliberate typo

Barroso: Cameron's EU deal will not reduce migration to UK.

Cameron will make something else up.

^^ I feel very sorry for the residents of Calais. France should just demolish the Jungle and deport the migrants back to their respective countries. 70% are from Africa and are purely economic migrants.

Same here. And it looks like Germany is pushing for a super state.

 

[Rhaos]

Out - Fed up with free movement, doesn't seem to work both ways. Its OK for other people from other countries to come here, scrounge from our NHS and benefits. Try going over to countries like Greece, Italy, to name but a few, and getting any healthcare let alone benefits in other countries in Euorpe, you are put to the bottom of the pile and made to wait in front of locals from that country.

**** Europe, Close our borders and don't let any more scrounging ***** in. Start looking after those who pay their taxes and give to the system not those wanting to sneak through the channel tunnel thinking the roads are paved with gold. The UK has been way to soft on immigrants coming over here to sponge from our system, its time for change and a hardline approach. If you don't have the skills we need you are not coming in. And if you are here illegally, we will deport you.

The European Union hasn't worked full stop. People have taken advantage and abused it notably corporations. In turn its the saem old rich get rich and the poor and middle class get **** on.

I'm a Tory, but what Camoron said regarding the migrant Camp in Kent scaremongering tactics was utter ********, he's just protecting his business assets and ventures.

 

[chief barker]

A daisy cutter would be most welcome at the 'jungle'

Or 2.

 

[Stretch]

Out - Fed up with free movement, doesn't seem to work both ways. Its OK for other people from other countries to come here, scrounge from our NHS and benefits. Try going over to countries like Greece, Italy, to name but a few, and getting any healthcare let alone benefits in other countries in Euorpe, you are put to the bottom of the pile and made to wait in front of locals from that country.

**** Europe, Close our borders and don't let any more scrounging ***** in. Start looking after those who pay their taxes and give to the system not those wanting to sneak through the channel tunnel thinking the roads are paved with gold. The UK has been way to soft on immigrants coming over here to sponge from our system, its time for change and a hardline approach. If you don't have the skills we need you are not coming in. And if you are here illegally, we will deport you.

The European Union hasn't worked full stop. People have taken advantage and abused it notably corporations. In turn its the saem old rich get rich and the poor and middle class get **** on.

I'm a Tory, but what Camoron said regarding the migrant Camp in Kent scaremongering tactics was utter ********, he's just protecting his business assets and ventures.

What about the scroungers who are already here?

The government could easily solve the scrounger problem by treating all scroungers the same i.e. operate equal opportunities scrounger policy.

The EU just says governments are not allowed to discriminate. So if the government said no benefits for people who haven't contributed, or don't have mitigating circumstances, immigrants couldn't claim benefits.

 

[scorza]

What about the scroungers who are already here?

The government could easily solve the scrounger problem by treating all scroungers the same i.e. operate equal opportunities scrounger policy.

The EU just says governments are not allowed to discriminate. So if the government said no benefits for people who haven't contributed, or don't have mitigating circumstances, immigrants couldn't claim benefits.

In other words they're forcing us to have a benefits system that is similar in style to European countries. Why can't we just have the benefits system that has worked in this country for over a hundred years? Why do we always have to change?

 

[Stretch]

In other words they're forcing us to have a benefits system that is similar in style to European countries. Why can't we just have the benefits system that has worked in this country for over a hundred years? Why do we always have to change?

We could have a very generous benefit system, more generous than the current one.

There also hasn't been the same benefits system for 100 years, the system has changed radical.

Many benefits were originally linked to contribution or tax allowances, and if we still had a system linked to contribution, by definition migrants couldn't claim.

 

[scorza]

We could have a very generous benefit system, more generous than the current one.

There also hasn't been the same benefits system for 100 years, the system has changed radical.

Many benefits were originally linked to contribution or tax allowances, and if we still had a system linked to contribution, by definition migrants couldn't claim.

You know who else can't claim under that system? Young British unemployed people - ought not the safety net catch them also? The fact is that we're unique in that we've had a universal benefits system for a long time now and it has worked because it is the most appropriate system of benefits for our country. It doesn't mean that we're more or less generous than any other system, just that it's universal so everyone gets it. There's never been a problem with it we couldn't sort out until the EU expanded into Eastern Europe and Tony Blair thought that only 13,000 migrants would come.

 

[Stretch]

You know who else can't claim under that system? Young British unemployed people - ought not the safety net catch them also? The fact is that we're unique in that we've had a universal benefits system for a long time now and it has worked because it is the most appropriate system of benefits for our country. It doesn't mean that we're more or less generous than any other system, just that it's universal so everyone gets it. There's never been a problem with it we couldn't sort out until the EU expanded into Eastern Europe and Tony Blair thought that only 13,000 migrants would come.

I feel we should offer them jobs.

 

[The Running Man]

I feel we should offer them jobs.

The problem isn't just the people who are working.

the problem is when they import their wife and child who then claim benefits. Or they send the money early back home, acting like a withdrawal from our economy.

 

[D.P.]

The problem isn't just the people who are working.

the problem is when they import their wife and child who then claim benefits. Or they send the money early back home, acting like a withdrawal from our economy.

European migrants are less liekly to be unemployed, use less benefits and services, pay more taxes, have overall lower costs and thus contribute more to the net taxation than British citizens.

Why single out immigrants with stay at home wife's and families? If you think having a family is such a big cost to the country then yu are much better off attacking the largest culprit, British citizens, who in total will have far more stay at home mothers etc.

And what is wrong with sending money home? They have earned the money, paid income tax on it, paid rent/mortgage, paid utility bills, paid council tax, paid for food, TV license, internet, phone bills, entertainment, child clothes, child raising costs. What they do with the remainder of their money is entirely their choice.

If you are against people taking money out of the country then are you also going to go after the holiday makers who go abroad, people who buy products not made in the UK? That TV/Phone/computer, how dare you send money to Korea/Japan/China

 

[stewski]

Always talk of Benefits Benefits Benefits whilst tax avoidance and tax evasion costs the UK tax payer significantly more!

Government/EU/whoever stop the scrounging tax cheaters.

 

[RDM]

In other words they're forcing us to have a benefits system that is similar in style to European countries. Why can't we just have the benefits system that has worked in this country for over a hundred years? Why do we always have to change?

Our benefit system has changed massively in the last 100 years and none of it had anything to do with the EU.

 

[Nate--IRL--]

Always talk of Benefits Benefits Benefits whilst tax avoidance and tax evasion costs the UK tax payer significantly more!

Government/EU/whoever stop the scrounging tax cheaters.

Can't stir up the populace with that though.

Nate

 

[The Running Man]

European migrants are less liekly to be unemployed, use less benefits and services, pay more taxes, have overall lower costs and thus contribute more to the net taxation than British citizens.

Why single out immigrants with stay at home wife's and families? If you think having a family is such a big cost to the country then yu are much better off attacking the largest culprit, British citizens, who in total will have far more stay at home mothers etc.

And what is wrong with sending money home? They have earned the money, paid income tax on it, paid rent/mortgage, paid utility bills, paid council tax, paid for food, TV license, internet, phone bills, entertainment, child clothes, child raising costs. What they do with the remainder of their money is entirely their choice.

If you are against people taking money out of the country then are you also going to go after the holiday makers who go abroad, people who buy products not made in the UK? That TV/Phone/computer, how dare you send money to Korea/Japan/China

The biggest culprits are not European migrants. We have other groups of immigrants that are a far larger drain on society and are eroding (actively) British cultural values and it's economy , it's true.

Have they paid income tax on all of it? Including any off the books 'foreigner' jobs they have done? If you don't understand the cost of withdrawals from the economy, then i can't really debate that with you any further - bit you should probably look it up in an economics book.

People will go on holiday and spend money and buying foreign made goods is par for the course in a global economy. Uk people aren't working for the purpose of sending bundles of cash to other countries though - you need to acknowledge this.

are immigrants creating incremental jobs? Or salary deflation?

Tough new rules will end the scandal of more than £55million a year in handouts leaving Britain.

Making clear his outrage at the system, David Cameron warned that if he could not strike a deal with other EU countries now he would seek to secure the change in his membership renegotiations.

Benefits and tax credits claimed by European migrants for children who live in other countries cost the British *taxpayer more than £1million a week, *according to estimates.

Campaigners calculate that UK child benefits worth £36.6million a year go to 40,000 children living overseas including non-EU Iceland and Norway, together with £18.6million of child tax credits.

Two thirds of all child benefit sent*abroad goes to Poland. The payout is £20.30 a week for the first child and £13.40 for others where neither parent earns more than £50,000 a year.*

 

[scorza]

The problem isn't just the people who are working.

the problem is when they import their wife and child who then claim benefits. Or they send the money early back home, acting like a withdrawal from our economy.

The problem is also with people working as we offer in work benefits such as child tax credits.

Our benefit system has changed massively in the last 100 years and none of it had anything to do with the EU.

Yet it has remained universal throughout

 

[Mr Jack]

In other words they're forcing us to have a benefits system that is similar in style to European countries. Why can't we just have the benefits system that has worked in this country for over a hundred years? Why do we always have to change?

We're not being forced to change our benefits system at all . Any changes that are made are purely and simply the choice of the Conservative government.