If that is the case they would still be considered for entry on a skills based points system.
Coherent enough for you?
Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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If that is the case they would still be considered for entry on a skills based points system.
Coherent enough for you?
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Not that unusual when one considers where one's culture comes from, what shapes it and where in the world it finds its natural place -- an unbroken continuity of centuries of European history. No people develop or exist in a total cultural vacuum, and that's doubly so for trading nations.
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Re ISIS and NATO/UNSC: You can't bomb ideas out of existence. You need integration of military, political and community action to fight extremism effectively. Something Europe can offer with its institutions and infrastructure. UN doesn't have that. NATO is a strategic military alliance, it's too blunt a tool to apply to something as fluid as modern terrorism.
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Re net migration figures: Scorza's goal is easy to achieve.
1) Stop counting international students -- roughly 200,000 shaved off right there -- it's silly, statistically awkward and politically divisive. They pay, they play, they take their quals and most go home with a positive image of Britain. Education is one of our top global exports -- let's not fuzz it up, eh?
2) Do make it easier for people to migrate within the Commonwealth. Talking to your partners in the wider world tends to help! If 40,000 more people go out to work, travel (long term) and study yearly, we are that much nearer to the low thousands figure being thrown about. This was the case prior to the worldwide economic crisis in 2008 anyway.
3) Do go after bogus enterprises, sham marriage facilitators, profiteering agencies, and other black and grey sectors of the economy that abuse and exploit people. That's at least another 40,000 souls right there.
4) Do put more money into vocational and academic education for post-16s, with particular emphasis on languages. Heck, we could learn a thing or two from the way Germany handles its apprentices! Without a raised skills base of the population and higher productivity, more labour will have to be imported whether we like it or not. Or don't you want your pension paid and NHS running?
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Why not let a free market decide?
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Time to leave the EU
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100% leave.
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Out for me. I don't want to be part of a federal states of Europe.
Undecideds, like me, will be counted because, one way or the other, I'll vote. I'm just not finalising that decision quite yet, when I don't have a final picture on either what I'd be voting to stay in, or as clear a view as possible on what 'out' looks like.
Not having that option leaves the result even of a poll like this less clear than it might be.
Suppose you get 56 vote leave, 54 vote stay and 3 undecideds. That suggests that, in as far as this poll can ever be representative, it's narrow out result, with 'in' barely within grasp.
If, on the other hand, you get 56 voting leave, 54 remaining, and 1000 undecideds, it suggests the vote is absolutely wide open.
Nearly all general elections in modern UK history have actually been decided by a modest-sized floating group of voters. Many have voted Labour all their lives, many Tory all their lives and they cancel each other out. And another chunk vote, fairly consistently, for smaller parties and aren't likely to change, be it LibDem, UKIP, Green, SNP, various NI parties, etc.
Elections are won and lost by floating voters floating. A 6-7% swing has often been enough to see one party lose power and another gain it. And the majority of those swing votes consistently come from floaters, from undecideds, not from the party faihful. That's why some constituencies are ass-deep in visiting MPs come election time, and others are more likely to see political tumbleweed rolling down the street than an actual politician.
Similarly, all the signs are the referendum has hardcore in, and hardcore out, for whom nothing is going to change their minds. This referendum will be determined by which way the undecideds eventually decide.
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I do find it very funny when in 2011 Merkel said she doesn't want a super state. But Cameron did.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...t-Euro-superstate--lets-hope-stands-firm.html
Now in 2015 Merkel wants a super state but Cameron doesn't
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...protect-Britain-from-European-superstate.html
I don't trust the EU one bit.
Whenever I visit Wales, I see a lot of EU investment. Every community and sports centre in the part of Wales where my wife is from seems to have been built with EU money.
Do you think that an independent UK would invest as much in Wales? Judging by Cameron's empty rhetoric on the 'northern powerhouse', I think don't think we would. Any money saved on EU membership would be spent on projects in the south-east of England.
Move out from Wales?
If Wales wanted the EU, then they can just succede... But they'd lose the perpetual victim card with an ounce of Stockholm syndrome.
Pros and cons eh.
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So you admit that there would be money saved for the UK public purse? To me it is entirely conceivable that once we'd reduced the UK's debt with that money we would invest more in all the regions (believe it or not there are parts of the South-East that also need it).
Yeah, let's only invest in London. Screw everywhere else.
The Welsh can get bent, the Scots can starve for all we care, the Cornish... who needs them, eh? Bloody inbred knuckle draggers.
The only civilised part of the UK is London and the Sarth East, so let's send all the money there.
London. **** yeah.
I'm going to vote "remain", because I believe the EU is more interested in improving the lives of the common people of this country than our own governments.
That's not what I said. I said that we would save money on EU membership if we left the EU.
That doesn't mean that we would benefit from a net saving overall though. We would need our own public bodies to replicate the EU ones that we're no longer part of. We would also need to hire a fresh bunch of bureaucrats and lawyers (in London, no doubt) to negotiate new deals with our trading and political partners.
The current Tory government wants councils and regions to keep more of the tax that they generate. Regions that generate a lot of tax will get richer, regions that generate little tax will get poorer. Leaving the EU would be a disaster for the north of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
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So at the moment, we give the EU £Xm, they spend a fraction of that in the UK (mostly in Wales) and give us back a rebate. Woudln't it just make more sense to not give the EU the £Xm in the first place and spend it ourselves how we see fit? More is better than less surely?
The EU has done bugger all for the north of England. Scotland benefits from the Barnett Formula which is a UK initiative.
i assume you mean the south of Wales?
as the uk government through the welsh assembly spends massive amounts of money in Wales....just all in Cardiff
South Wales but outside of Cardiff.
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I think you'll find there's no such thing...
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Exit.
Regain control of our borders and courts.
No more unelected EU law makers.
Get away from the runaway bureaucracy and costs.
Before Turkey and all posts east gain entry.
And if the banksters like GS, who got off scott free after 2008, are bankrolling the IN campaign, you know it's good for them and bad for Joe Public.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35366994
Sadly I think people will be frightened in to voting to stay in.
Michael Portillo made a good call saying even if we voted to leave we wouldn't be allowed to. Further concessions would be given and a re vote called. So, to get the best deal vote out no matter what.
Regain control of our borders and courts.
No more unelected EU law makers.
Get away from the runaway bureaucracy and costs.
Before Turkey and all posts east gain entry.
And if the banksters like GS, who got off scott free after 2008, are bankrolling the IN campaign, you know it's good for them and bad for Joe Public.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35366994
Sadly I think people will be frightened in to voting to stay in.
Michael Portillo made a good call saying even if we voted to leave we wouldn't be allowed to. Further concessions would be given and a re vote called. So, to get the best deal vote out no matter what.
yeah there you go. we get nothing up here, from the uk or from the EU
it all goes to the south.
basically Wales is exactly like England everything is spent in the south and the north gets nothing.
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