Soldato
Leave, then rebuild the Empire.
Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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I must have slept through the history class that taught Churchill's and De Gaulle's rapid conversion to Bolshevism in their later years.
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Caporegime
Isn't that task more down to the UNSC than the EU?
I can't see leaving the EU would stop us from co-operating with the rest of Europe to achieve the common goal of eliminating ISIS.
Leaving the EU would make intelligence sharing slower and more difficult.
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Why? Would the intelligence agencies suddenly lose all the phone numbers of their European counterparts the day after leaving the EU?
No, but we'd lose European Arrest Warrant powers and lose access to EUROJUST.
And if our laws aren't harmonised with Europe, transferring data and detainees can be more complex from a legal standpoint.
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If this Country chooses to Leave the EU then there'll be another referendum as we didn't "Vote the right way"
We will however, have a serious bargaining chip !
If we vote to stay in..... We'll get sod all but broken promises and reneged deals.
OUT !!
We will however, have a serious bargaining chip !
If we vote to stay in..... We'll get sod all but broken promises and reneged deals.
OUT !!
Do you own a business? I do, the idiot expensive barriers coming out of the EU seemingly monthly blow my mind.
I've spent the past week pulling my hair out over crazy EU tachograph laws for businesses like me who need to run a few bits on a trailer to a customer 5 miles. I basically part with 6 grand or don't do it. It's a damn small trailer, there's noobs with flappy caravans getting towed all over the roads.
Vote out.
Also I don't care where immigrants come from, as long as they have the skills to be an asset which have been checked. I get called racist because of this view by guys with your views on immigration.
Go figure
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Caporegime
Out.
I don't think the UK gets a good deal from being within the EU, we'd be better off representing ourselves at global trade talks rather than have the EU negotiate on our behalf. European politics is very different to UK politics and the British people are never going to be as deferential to EU political leaders as they're expected to be. There are serious problems with the EU that are quickly becoming apparent, fundamentally some countries will not follow the rules that they agree to follow and the EU turns a blind eye to it. This is what caused the Greek financial crisis and contributed massively to the current Migrant crisis. The EU is an organisation incapable of reforming itself, neatly demonstrated by the election of Jean-Claude Juncker, an arch EU federalist as President of the EC after the whole of Europe voted for anti-EU parties.
Lastly I don't like the way Britain is always disrespected by the EU. As part of his not-so-fundamental reforms, David Cameron, our Prime Minister went cap-in-hand to the EU and asked for very little indeed - and they still won't give him that. No-one in Brussels or the rest of Europe takes British voter concern about levels of immigration seriously, indeed many member states have a vested interest in their citizens going to the UK and bringing home significant sums of money - we're seen purely a cash-cow to be milked dry by these nations.
I don't think the UK gets a good deal from being within the EU, we'd be better off representing ourselves at global trade talks rather than have the EU negotiate on our behalf. European politics is very different to UK politics and the British people are never going to be as deferential to EU political leaders as they're expected to be. There are serious problems with the EU that are quickly becoming apparent, fundamentally some countries will not follow the rules that they agree to follow and the EU turns a blind eye to it. This is what caused the Greek financial crisis and contributed massively to the current Migrant crisis. The EU is an organisation incapable of reforming itself, neatly demonstrated by the election of Jean-Claude Juncker, an arch EU federalist as President of the EC after the whole of Europe voted for anti-EU parties.
Lastly I don't like the way Britain is always disrespected by the EU. As part of his not-so-fundamental reforms, David Cameron, our Prime Minister went cap-in-hand to the EU and asked for very little indeed - and they still won't give him that. No-one in Brussels or the rest of Europe takes British voter concern about levels of immigration seriously, indeed many member states have a vested interest in their citizens going to the UK and bringing home significant sums of money - we're seen purely a cash-cow to be milked dry by these nations.
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Was in and still in.
I repeat, immigrants are a vital resource for the economy and it's irrelevant where they come from. Most of you eurosceptics are concerned about immigration and you cite the corrosion of culture, values, the loss of jobs and other issues to support that view. But if those peoblems were real, Britain could decrease the non-Eu immigration, which consists of people from far different cultures, lower skills etc. This would be much easier than the adventure of leaving the EU.
My point is the concerns you express are not real, they are excuses to have a xenophobic attitude.
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In for me but then I am atypical as I see myself as European before British.
I accept that not all aspects of Europe are perfect but I feel we are better United than not.
I accept that not all aspects of Europe are perfect but I feel we are better United than not.
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Soldato
Intelligence agencies and sharing will not suddenly stop or be more difficult. We work closest with the USA in such regards, we have no problem doing that, despite not being part of the USA.
Freezing bank accounts is just as important as bombing oil fields in the fight to stop ISIS's funding.
NATO was never designed to fight terrorism.
Do we have the equivalent of the European Arrest Warrant with the US? No. There's an drawn-out extradition process.
Soldato
"A GROUNDBREAKING vote has seen the first publicly-elected body in Britain to vote in favour of leaving the European Union"
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/63...ouncil-backs-Britain-leave-EU-Brexit-Havering
And off(out) we go
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/63...ouncil-backs-Britain-leave-EU-Brexit-Havering
And off(out) we go
I agree. We need immigration and the current level is probably roughly correct.
We are already severely hindering those outside of the EU from coming here and working to the detriment of the country. Having to earn over £35,000 to stay is not good for the country that needs nurses and teachers. This policy makes no sense. I'd like to see more immigration from our past commonwealth countries. I'm sure there are many Americans, Chinese etc who will also want to work here, not forgetting we are not completing closing the boarder with the EU. We could have a preferential fast track VISA agreement with these countries.
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