Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[D.P.]

^^ There are NO guarantees that any new terms are going to be upheld regardless.

When a migrant who used to receive benefits see's them reduced under the new plan and takes their case to the European court of human rights, I wonder what will happen ..

I migrant can go to the ECHR even if Britain leaves the EU, because guess what, the referendum isn't about leaving the ECHR but leaving the EU. There is no discussion or referendum about leaving the ECHR.


Perhaps you should actually read up on what the EU referendum is about before making your decision to vote?

 

[Zethor]

out get our country back

Durkur Duur!!

 

[[TW]Fox]

No but shipping through cruise liners and extensive rail networks did - as I mentioned. The US had a pretty open door policy up until 1933 when the great depression influenced policy.

The world wasn't all that different - certainly air travel isn't a game changer when people could travel pretty much anywhere in the world, albeit a bit slower.

This is complete rubbish. For most people, travel from say Africa to Northern Europe was all but impossible and a massive undertaking. Even travelling from one end of the UK to the other was something most people would never have contemplated, let alone traversing the globe.

A transatlantic ticket on the titanic in third class ranged from £210 to £550 in today's prices, so it's comparable to air travel prices. Whilst it is slower, it is still accessible to most people.

And the average yearly salary was what?

 

[Tunney]

This is complete rubbish. For most people, travel from say Africa to Northern Europe was all but impossible and a massive undertaking. Even travelling from one end of the UK to the other was something most people would never have contemplated, let alone traversing the globe.

It was less safe and took longer but it happened. Dutch farmers made the trip all the way to South Africa in large numbers. People didn't go on holiday but they certainly emigrated.

And the average yearly salary was what?

Comparable to the average wage in the developing world now?

 

[[TW]Fox]

It was less safe and took longer but it happened. Dutch farmers made the trip all the way to South Africa in large numbers. People didn't go on holiday but they certainly emigrated.

In far lower numbers - both because of the journey itself and of course a lack of knowledge about what else was out there or where they'd go. Remember how much more information the entire planet has today?

 

[Mr Jack]

In far lower numbers - both because of the journey itself and of course a lack of knowledge about what else was out there or where they'd go. Remember how much more information the entire planet has today?

The %age of foreign born citizens in the US was higher in the latter half of the 19th century than it is today. While migration may have been lower in absolute numbers, so was the total population of the world so the relative proportions involved may well be similar.

 

[Locky]

Eastern European countries kicking off about benefits being paid from UK to their pockets. I wonder why..

 

[The_Abyss]

Can we start a new poll once this little European debate is finished, whether the outcome is defined or not?

 

[Danthus]

I migrant can go to the ECHR even if Britain leaves the EU, because guess what, the referendum isn't about leaving the ECHR but leaving the EU. There is no discussion or referendum about leaving the ECHR.


Perhaps you should actually read up on what the EU referendum is about before making your decision to vote?

I recently went to to EU Out event Hosted by the EFDD and attended by Louise Bours UKIP MEP.

She sounded the part, this EU law, that EU law.

The problem for her was that I attended the event with a expert on EU Law, when questioned she actually had no idea what law she was referring too.

 

[Danthus]

On that point in particular, I think Cameron's done as well as he could have. That seems like a decent segment of the deal, tbh. People will still spack about it, but meh.

The other 'key points' which are coming out,

When will this be written into the various treaties?

 

[Narj]

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[Tunney]

In far lower numbers - both because of the journey itself and of course a lack of knowledge about what else was out there or where they'd go. Remember how much more information the entire planet has today?

Lack of knowledge? By the end of the 19th century, we knew enough about the world to conquer a quarter of it. Forces from all of the planet fought for Britian only 14 years later.

As I said, a staggering percentage of be population of Ireland emigrated in the 19th century. They emigrated in far larger numbers than they do now.

 

[[TW]Fox]

The problem for her was that I attended the event with a expert on EU Law, when questioned she actually had no idea what law she was referring too.

Are you suggesting that the views in the 'No' camp are based mostly on misconceptions!? Surely not...

 

[Danthus]

Are you suggesting that the views in the 'No' camp are based mostly on misconceptions!? Surely not...

I am big enough to admit I have had my eyes opened after spending some time with the said expert.

 

[robfosters]

I'm still unsure as to what 'ever closer union' means to average Joe Public.

Look forward to seeing this get torn apart tomorrow.

 

[Danthus]

I'm still unsure as to what 'ever closer union' means to average Joe Public.

Look forward to seeing this get torn apart tomorrow.

I would imagine it broadly encompasses the move towards a Federal Europe and one with a common fiscal policy.

 

[Danthus]

Cameron has wangled a agreement that means the UK financial sector won't be hit by the likes of a Robin Hood tax.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Cameron has wangled a agreement that means the UK financial sector won't be hit by the likes of a Robin Hood tax.

Which will be spun into some OMG LOOKING OUT FOR HIS BANKING MATES INNIT rubbish by the anti everything brigade, no doubt.

 

[datalol-jack]

I would imagine it broadly encompasses the move towards a Federal Europe and one with a common fiscal policy.

Got woken up by twitter alerts on PM's speech. The 'no closer union' point also covers:

• No European Army integration for us written into treaties
• Unilateral veto on many issues people worried about, but probably won't matter to the average joe
• Special exemption for us, written into treaties again I believe, on any future bailouts for the eurozone -- we won't be paying
• No to Schengen for us for ever -- passport free travel like they have on the continent, but we obviously still can move freely with a British passport etc
• No euro integration and recognition of the pound/other outer zone currencies as valid EU currencies
• Bank of England will have primacy over ECB on fiscal policy
• National parliaments will be also getting some unilateral stuff we got

Guardian is streaming the speech live. Feel free to amend, as I'm only half awake. I however return to the realm of the sleeping dead. Night.

 

[Danthus]

One of Cameron's "wins" is actually a failed manifesto pledge.

He will get hammered on that.