Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

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datalol-jack said:
Got woken up by twitter alerts on PM's speech. The 'no closer union' point also covers:

  • No European Army integration for us written into treaties
  • Unilateral veto on many issues people worried about, but probably won't matter to the average joe
  • Special exemption for us, written into treaties again I believe, on any future bailouts for the eurozone -- we won't be paying
  • No to Schengen for us for ever -- passport free travel like they have on the continent, but we obviously still can move freely with a British passport etc
  • No euro integration and recognition of the pound/other outer zone currencies as valid EU currencies
  • Bank of England will have primacy over ECB on fiscal policy
  • National parliaments will be also getting some unilateral stuff we got


Guardian is streaming the speech live. Feel free to amend, as I'm only half awake. I however return to the realm of the sleeping dead. Night.
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The Guardian! Really. :rolleyes:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ndum-eu-summit-david-cameron-brexit-live.html
 
Well, the detail of this will be interesting to read.

Not impressed by Cameron declaring what Britain will do for all future times - that's not his to say.
 
Moses said:
And it's not 'for all future times'. It's for until a British government decides to ask for a different arrangement.
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That doesn't happen too often though, in fairness. We spend endless hours, weeks, months, years and decades discussing but actual action happens less frequently than once per generation.
 
D.P. said:
Perhaps you should actually read up on what the EU referendum is about before making your decision to vote?
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ithdrawal-european-convention-on-human-rights

In a move that would raise questions about Britain’s membership of the Council of Europe, the 47-strong human rights watchdog, Grayling said a Tory government would withdraw from the convention if parliament failed to secure the right to veto judgments from the European court of human rights (ECHR).

A withdrawal from the convention could jeopardise Britain’s membership of the EU, which is separate to the Council of Europe whose members are drawn from across the continent and include Russia and Ukraine. Membership of the Council of Europe is a requirement for EU member states.


.. Be that as it may, we can't withdraw from the ECHR whilst we are members of the EU.

You come across as someone who feels a superiority to lots of people from the tone of your posts. This is as politely as I can put that point across.
 
sityeuropa said:
The welfare payments brake is limited to seven years?

So the deal has a time limit? Ridiculous.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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sityeuropa said:
No welfare for the first 4 years......but in 7 years it goes back to how it originally was. Claim away.

The deal has a time limit folks. Vote NO.
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I have been leaning towards "No" for some time but am prepared to be persuaded to "Yes". But as far as I am concerned a deal with a time limit is little better than no deal at all.
 
b0redj0rd said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ithdrawal-european-convention-on-human-rights

In a move that would raise questions about Britain’s membership of the Council of Europe, the 47-strong human rights watchdog, Grayling said a Tory government would withdraw from the convention if parliament failed to secure the right to veto judgments from the European court of human rights (ECHR).

A withdrawal from the convention could jeopardise Britain’s membership of the EU, which is separate to the Council of Europe whose members are drawn from across the continent and include Russia and Ukraine. Membership of the Council of Europe is a requirement for EU member states.


.. Be that as it may, we can't withdraw from the ECHR whilst we are members of the EU.

You come across as someone who feels a superiority to lots of people from the tone of your posts. This is as politely as I can put that point across.
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Why would you withdraw from the ECHR and join Belarus, a dictatorship and the only other country in Europe not part of it? Just stop trying, you're only making yourself look worse.
 
[TW]Fox;29193509 said:
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. There'd have been uproar if he'd negotiated a load of things people wanted only for them to time out in 2020 :confused:
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There are ways of talking about things that doesn't imply you've just decided the EU policy of all future UK governments.
 
OldCoals said:
Child benefit will be awarded at a rate equivalent to the claimants country of origin?
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Modified according to the cost of living in the country - I think. Which might, ironically, mean some immigrants getting more money in child benefit than people with children in the UK.
 
Mr Jack said:
Modified according to the cost of living in the country - I think. Which might, ironically, mean some immigrants getting more money in child benefit than people with children in the UK.
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Possibly but number of those is tiny. This should however stop or at least limit most from the poorer countries.
 
bayo000 said:
Possibly but number of those is tiny. This should however stop or at least limit most from the poorer countries.
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The total amount for all of these thing is super tiny. That's a major part of the reason that Cameron's "re-negotiation" is such baloney - he's tilting at windmills.
 
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