Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[Stretch]

Why are they coming then?

Because they can get a job.

 

[Boycey0211]

Why are they coming then?

Because we're not an ex-soviet bloc country?

We have an undeniably better quality of life here, but that costs money. Increased minimum wage over those countries is how we sustain it.

Now I'm not saying those on minimum wage are living lavish lifestyles, but it is quite a bit better than they would get back home.

 

[Lt_Red]

I am in a position where the current overbearing eu legislation maintains my employment position. But I look at my son and feel that voting in is good for me but not for him. Therefore I am out. It's not about migration. It's about soverenty and self determination.

 

[Speirs]

Because we're not an ex-soviet bloc country?

We have an undeniably better quality of life here, but that costs money. Increased minimum wage over those countries is how we sustain it.

Now I'm not saying those on minimum wage are living lavish lifestyles, but it is quite a bit better than they would get back home.

Flies on ****!!
Yeah.........
UK!!
Benefits capital of Europe!!!
No one dare mention it because RACIST ???

 

[datalol-jack]

Flies on ****!!
Yeah.........
UK!!
Benefits capital of Europe!!!
No one dare mention it because RACIST ???

Your patriotism is touching.

 

[kindai]

I'm not refuting it as those are all very good points, however i'm sick and tired of our higher minimum wage being touted, as the cost of living is similarly higher.

These migrants aren't coming over here and having the cheaper quality of life they enjoy back home, they pay the same for petrol, bread and cheese that we all do.

I'm also not a steadfast remainer, I have yet to be well convinced by either side.

I know a lot of people from the eastern countries who share houses with 6+ other people working at the local casinos, they live on the bare minimum they can and send every last penny home, they do this for 5-6 years then move back to live a life of luxury.

This isn't just what "some" of them think to do, for a lot the plan is something they are taught and expected to do by their families.

I was talking to one guy who was struggling to understand the general banter, but he is 18 and was told that from the age of 15 or so he knew that was what he has to do because the casino wage + what he can get in benefits + tips works out at about a 6:1 ratio (better if he works more hours), so for every year he works here, the money he sends back is what he could earn in 6 years over there

He was very matter of fact that it is also well known the benefits system here is easily exploitable, and again they are taught how to do it, they come over as groups, they all sign up for housing benefits as individuals, then get in touch and they all pile into the cheapest place they find just to send as much money back home as they can.

 

[D.P.]

Why are they coming then?

A software engineer in Poland might get 20K a year, if they move to London and work at an investment bank they might get 65K.

Not that different to why my wife is in the US and not the UK. 35-40K in London, 90K in the US with half the living costs.


Not hard to see why people want to emigrate to greener pastures.

 

[robfosters]

Your wife is in the US and you're not?

How often do you see each other?

 

[D.P.]

On the big issues of trade deals.

Everyone talks about non EU countries (Norway, Switzerland, Mexico) having trade deals with the EU, but my understanding is no country outside of the EU has the same deal as those inside.

Even being a member of EEA (like Norway), comes with significant restrictions. Especially in the area of financial services, which are clearly important to our economy. The French and the Germans in particular are fairly envious of the City of London (even with us in the EU), and there's nothing they'd like more than to make life hard in an effort to relocate as much as they can to Paris and Frankfurt.

Secondly, on the subject of UK trade deals with the rest of the world. Assuming we are able to get a good trade deal with the EU post-brexit, I have serious reservation about how liberal they would be about the UK forming other trade deals as we see fit.

If we sign a deal with China/India for example, and we also have a free trade deal with the EU, surely this means the EU ends up with a de facto, backdoor trade deal with China/India it never signed up for.

How does this work?



They've been saying this since the day after the last referendum.

There's a real possibility that Brixit could lead to a chain of events which see the EU break up. I'm not sure where that leaves Scotland.

Well said.
It should also be noted that EEA members like Norway have a heavy price to pay for trade agreements. For starters they have no or limited voting rights, and importantly fir some xenophobes on here they have to accept the free movement of labour.

If there is a Brexit then at best we would have similar deals, but a good chance of even worse deals.

 

[D.P.]

Your wife is in the US and you're not?

How often do you see each other?

I'm also in the US, also I tend to do better here than the UK but by a smaller difference, however living costs make it larger.

 

[Boycey0211]

I know a lot of people from the eastern countries who share houses with 6+ other people working at the local casinos, they live on the bare minimum they can and send every last penny home, they do this for 5-6 years then move back to live a life of luxury.

This isn't just what "some" of them think to do, for a lot the plan is something they are taught and expected to do by their families.

I was talking to one guy who was struggling to understand the general banter, but he is 18 and was told that from the age of 15 or so he knew that was what he has to do because the casino wage + what he can get in benefits + tips works out at about a 6:1 ratio (better if he works more hours), so for every year he works here, the money he sends back is what he could earn in 6 years over there

He was very matter of fact that it is also well known the benefits system here is easily exploitable, and again they are taught how to do it, they come over as groups, they all sign up for housing benefits as individuals, then get in touch and they all pile into the cheapest place they find just to send as much money back home as they can.

Oh yeah you're not wrong at all, you've raised a completely different point about the failings in our benefit system though.

We've been in the EEC for 40 years now, we should have seen this coming and dealt with it. There's nothing stopping people in the UK as nationals doing exactly the same thing. Its our failing not the EU's.

My point was though, (I'm going to use made up numbers for ease, not using them as facts) if you earn £200pm in poland and cost of living is £100, you have £100 disposable, if you come to the UK and get £1000pm with outgoings of £500 which isnt unheard of, you get £500 disposable. Save that, go home after 6 years, live like a king as you say.

If it was the other way around there would be plenty of people on this forum doing it, I know I would.

 

[Speirs]

Your patriotism is touching.

Cool.
Get your fat kb warrior ass down Wolverhampton.
Lol.....
I bet you have broken out in a sweat!!!
Do a Google on Whitmore Reans

 

[Zethor]

I am in a position where the current overbearing eu legislation maintains my employment position. But I look at my son and feel that voting in is good for me but not for him. Therefore I am out. It's not about migration. It's about soverenty and self determination.

Why don't you declare your property's independence and regress back to tribes or even troops, like baboons? You'd get all the females should your physique allow it, at least for some time. That would be the ultimate sovereignty and self determination, correct?

 

[datalol-jack]

Well said.
It should also be noted that EEA members like Norway have a heavy price to pay for trade agreements. For starters they have no or limited voting rights, and importantly fir some xenophobes on here they have to accept the free movement of labour.

If there is a Brexit then at best we would have similar deals, but a good chance of even worse deals.

Well, the globalist part of Leave apparently has this magical deal they keep bringing up: free trade with the bloc, optional immigration quotas (to please their less tolerant allies), opt outs from EU regs (which include trading standards, hmm) and no EU contributions. And somehow this can be done quickly, without any major loss made on interim tariffs, drops in job numbers or re-routing of trade and finance that would take place.

Not a single EU leader has given any indication of the credibility of such a possibility -- such a deal would be wholly without precedent. Who will negotiate such a deal, and what would be our key bargaining chips is also unknown. Apparently, being the 5th largest economy now, and an interesting history, qualifies us for special treatment at anyone's table.

Moreover, this 'deal' will somehow also make us immediately more attractive to the US and Chinese investors, whilst giving us 'absolute' freedom to demand favourable terms from the rest of the world. With the Commonwealth flying in on their white steed, offering cheap imports and plentiful, cost-free consumers for our services.

You know like Imperial Preference, only this time without an empire, and we call it 'unilateral democracy', and hope the world agrees. Feasibility studies -- who needs them, amiright?

 

[robfosters]

Well, the globalist part of Leave apparently has this magical deal they keep bringing up: free trade with the bloc, optional immigration quotas (to please their less tolerant allies), opt outs from EU regs (which include trading standards, hmm) and no EU contributions. And somehow this can be done quickly, without any major loss made on interim tariffs, drops in job numbers or re-routing of trade and finance that would take place.

Not a single EU leader has given any indication of the credibility of such a possibility -- such a deal would be wholly without precedent. Who will negotiate such a deal, and what would be our key bargaining chips is also unknown. Apparently, being the 5th largest economy now and, an interesting history, qualifies us for special treatment at anyone's table.

Moreover, this 'deal' will somehow also make us immediately more attractive to the US and Chinese investors, whilst giving us 'absolute' freedom to demand terms to the rest of the world. With the Commonwealth flying in on their white steed, offering cheap imports and plentiful, cost-free consumers for our services.

You know like Imperial Preference, only this time without an empire, and we call it 'unilateral democracy', and hope the world agrees. Feasibility studies -- who needs them, amiright?

Yes, but did you google Whitmore Reans?

 

[datalol-jack]

Yes, but did you google Whitmore Reans?

A deprived area in the West Midlands not loved by the tabloid media?

 

[robfosters]

A deprived area in the West Midlands not loved by the tabloid media?

Yes. Spot on. They have it very bad there. They have to watch Wolves every week.

 

[datalol-jack]

Yes. Spot on. They have it very bad there. They have to watch Wolves every week.

If the club receives any EU cash or players, secession is the only option! It's clearly sabotage!

 

[Speirs]

If the club receives any EU cash or players, secession is the only option! It's clearly sabotage!

lol lol....
Football aside.
Whitmore Reans is not the most affluent of areas in Wolverhampton.
Tettenhall etc are..........
So why do most of the immigrants get plopped in Whitmore Reans?
Surely some BIG BALLED COUNCILLOR will some day say 'That we can accommodate all in WIGHTWICK!! ALL ARE WELCOME!!
I hold my breath..............

 

[Cosimo]

You can all **** off.

A fairly accurate reflection of most of the posters around here.