The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

[Martini1991]

It seems like for the past 2-3 generations, AMD have been the first to produce new set of high end graphics cards (revised, new architecture, etc) but getting beaten in overall performance by Nvidia everytime.

5870 beaten by 480
6970 beaten by 580
7970 beaten by 680

The pattern is never ending

Wut?
Nvidia had their GTX580 well before AMD had their 6970 out.
AMD were best the other two times though.

 

[Locky]

It seems like for the past 2-3 generations, AMD have been the first to produce new set of high end graphics cards (revised, new architecture, etc) but getting beaten in overall performance by Nvidia everytime.

5870 beaten by 480
6970 beaten by 580
7970 beaten by 680

The pattern is never ending

But AMD was better at pricing, but they chuffed that up now.

 

[WingZero30]

Btw when are offical reviews due from other respectable sites?

 

[djxput]

But AMD was better at pricing, but they chuffed that up now.

You might say they were better at pricing - but look how many peeps went out and bought new 7 series cards at a premium.
AMD did what they could because people wanted to spend $ ... Now is the only time they will have to think about being more resonable with the price.

 

[djxput]

Btw when are offical reviews due from other respectable sites?

ya just read this at kitguru

"Tweaktown however seem a little disgruntled with Nvidia as they say “Since NVIDIA sent us nothing on the GTX 680 codenamed “Kepler” – no press deck, no whitepaper, no conference call information, no sample, no NDA date – absolutely nothing – we’re kind of winging it here. Something we don’t really like to do. But when I woke up this morning again with no information from NVIDIA, I was just over it and decided to knock this review over straight away as clearly we weren’t going to hear anything from them. How is that for professionalism? (Ed: Shocking!)

We’ve sent countless email and the fact this is going up before NDA time is going to annoy a lot of people. In our defense, we don’t actually know the NDA time because NVIDIA Taiwan won’t respond. Plus, I’m personally just past caring about it anymore. Our relationship with NVIDIA is so broken that it doesn’t matter what we do, they have no interest in dealing with us on a professional level. Due to the region NVIDIA North America won’t deal with us and NVIDIA Taiwan just don’t like us and / or don’t want to work with us at all.”

hehe good for them

 

[Marine-RX179]

It seems like for the past 2-3 generations, AMD have been the first to produce new set of high end graphics cards (revised, new architecture, etc) but getting beaten in overall performance by Nvidia everytime.

5870 beaten by 480
6970 beaten by 580
7970 beaten by 680

The pattern is never ending

Performance wise...no, but this time round not only does AMD charge a crazy higher price if comparing to their last two gens, but also its high-end single GPU card got beaten by a card from Nvidia that was originally suppose to be only a mid-range card. This doesn't look good, as I am starting to see the shadow of AMD vs Intel here...

 

[1kiwi]

It's a shame the tweaktown review did not feature BF3 and did not really go into overclocking.

 

[WingZero30]

Performance wise...no, but this time round not only does AMD charge a crazy higher price if comparing to their last two gens, but also its high-end single GPU card got beaten by a card from Nvidia that was originally suppose to be only a mid-range card. This doesn't look good, as I am starting to see the shadow of AMD vs Intel here...

Yeah

I feel and am sure many do here aswell that although AMD has been innovative with its cpus and gpus, they are still lacking that 'potent power' in their products that would blow the competition away.

Or maybe this time in graphics department, they should let the nvidia take the lead in terms of coming up with new products first then using those products as a target to beat with their own products. Ofcourse this is missing the reality but may well give AMD some kick in the back further to comeup with better products.

 

[Jakus]

I really don't understand all this 28nm GFX card pricing, I was just looking at ATI's new midrange...shocking prices.

While undeniably complex, how do these new GFX cards get priced more than a top end sandy bridge CPU and motherboard combo ?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Performance wise...no, but this time round not only does AMD charge a crazy higher price if comparing to their last two gens, but also its high-end single GPU card got beaten by a card from Nvidia that was originally suppose to be only a mid-range card. This doesn't look good, as I am starting to see the shadow of AMD vs Intel here...

The X1950XTX and 2900XT couldn't really beat the the midrange 8800GTS 640MB. AMD/ATI was in a worse situation at that point. Yet,they bounced back with more competitive offerings(for the consumer).

I think the whole 2012 thing is getting to you.

 

[Mal X]

I really don't understand all this 28nm GFX card pricing, I was just looking at ATI's new midrange...shocking prices.

While undeniably complex, how do these new GFX cards get priced more than a top end sandy bridge CPU and motherboard combo ?

yes this seriously ****s me off too.... look at my specs i have to spend the same again..... what i'll do is save till july then it wont hurt so much, because i doubt this card is enough for me..so i'm going to save all i can

 

[Mal X]

Yeah

I feel and am sure many do here aswell that although AMD has been innovative with its cpus and gpus, they are still lacking that 'potent power' in their products that would blow the competition away.

Or maybe this time in graphics department, they should let the nvidia take the lead in terms of coming up with new products first then using those products as a target to beat with their own products. Ofcourse this is missing the reality but may well give AMD some kick in the back further to comeup with better products.

unfortnately the only way to get ``potent power``, is to spend far more on another card; rather than on this one, this is what's bothering me.

 

[dave_beast]

It's a shame the tweaktown review did not feature BF3 and did not really go into overclocking.

Overclocking will be the 680's shortfall, I won't offer a banana to my rear, but I still think overclocked the 7970 will rape the 680. There hasn't been a single oc 680 vs oc 7970 leak at all.

 

[WesleyBurns]

It has begun, 680 listed but no items yet , and with my 500th post

 

[mad_weegie]

It has begun, 680 listed but no items yet , and with my 500th post

all sold my friend lol

 

[LeJosh]

Overclocking will be the 680's shortfall, I won't offer a banana to my rear, but I still think overclocked the 7970 will rape the 680. There hasn't been a single oc 680 vs oc 7970 leak at all.

Stock cooling on the 680 is around 75c at load, according to tweaktown.

And the "boosted" clock NV have been touting is an extra 50 or so MHz. Again, according to tweaktown's GPU-z.

Shame it doesn't have a bigger bus or vram as I want my next upgrade to incorporate 2560, which whilst it does fine I can see it being choked when using higher texture resolutions/AA/AF in games. Perhaps that's why they came up with TXAA.

 

[Jakus]

I was just looking at what I assumed to be MIN FPS @ 1200P in BF3 on a Chinese site, they looked very bad !

I won't add a link but Min fps in benches may be worth keeping a careful eye on

 

[LeJosh]

I really don't understand all this 28nm GFX card pricing, I was just looking at ATI's new midrange...shocking prices.

While undeniably complex, how do these new GFX cards get priced more than a top end sandy bridge CPU and motherboard combo ?

Intel own all their fabrication sites so I would assume they don't charge themselves to use it. As far as I'm aware most, if not all, R&D is done "in-house" so to speak

Edit - Also, graphics cards have a lot more on them than a CPU does, the ports (hdmi), the vram, the capacitors, the PCB, the cooling, the GPU its self, it all adds up.

 

[psychodil]

Gibbo said his card clocked up to 1200mhz when running heaven. How do we know these benchmarks have not been done with the card clocking itself up like tis? I await some forum users posts and subsequent benchmarks with.interest

 

[Arcane]

There seems to be two sets of 300 series drivers floating around, the older ones that are being used by some reviewers are giving low min fps apparently.