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The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

dave_beast said:
An overclocked 7970 will give better performance in BF3

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If you can look a that graph and claim the 7970 is better then you've just succeeded in dispelling any semblance of doubt about the bias in your viewpoint.
 
xsistor said:
If you can look a that graph and claim the 7970 is better then you've just succeeded in dispelling any semblance of doubt about the bias in your viewpoint.
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I can only assume Battlefield and Metro are the only games that matter to them...


555BUK said:
I hope AMD stocked up on plenty of vaseline. This round is going to be painful for them.
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Is it really though? Price drop on the 79** series would do the job easily, given the prices these have launched at? From the Anandtech graphs, I didn't think it was that much better.

Edit: My bad, it's not Battlefield 3, curse my terrible eyes and horrid line graphs! :(
 
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xsistor said:
If you can look a that graph and claim the 7970 is better then you've just succeeded in dispelling any semblance of doubt about the bias in your viewpoint.
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There's no doubting the 680 is a great stock card, but overclocked it loses out, it loses out to stock 7950's in Metro2033, how on earth does that happen?
 
The above graph shows the 7970 to be faster within Metro 2033 and AVP only. BF3 and everything else is a win for the green team. BF3 iis a reasonably big win for th 680.
 
xsistor said:
If you can look a that graph and claim the 7970 is better then you've just succeeded in dispelling any semblance of doubt about the bias in your viewpoint.
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+1

The 7970 owners who are still crooning about GPGPU and other ******** on a gaming forum make me roll my eyes - green team wins this round, end of. Even the lame TDP argument has been blown out of the water by the GTX 680 - a mid range card that's belted the 7970 out of the park, and very nearly AMD's current dual GPU flagship as well.
 
xsistor said:
The smaller your process the better your profit margin, and this leads to more competitive prices. A strange thing happens with microelectronics when you own the fab -- you begin competing against yourself. When you have cutting-edge fabs like intel does, it is actually cheaper for you to drive innovation and increasingly reduce the process size because it drives your costs down.

This doesn't translate as well with fabless semiconductor companies like AMD, ATI and NVIDIA as the fab will take the extra profit from this driving of costs down, while the advantage they get is really only going to be in the efficiency and power of your of design -- i.e. being able to pack more transistors -- and thus remain competitive.

As counter-intuitive as it seems it is actually better for intel to keep improving its process at a rapid rate, drive down its production costs and keep selling faster and faster processors even though it has no real competition in the high-end desktop market (from AMD).

And with GPUs, NVIDIA and ATI spend a lot more in production than Intel does.

The second reason is economies of scale. Far more processors will sell than GPUs, because every computer needs a processor, but not every computer needs a discrete GPU. Especially not a high-end one.
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Makes perfect sense, You really need to start an xsistor Q&A around here :D
 
Those graphs above from what i read were max gtx680oc v a 7970 with 16% overclock. A 16% overclock on a 7970 is just stupid for comparison. Most will do around 25-30% and some will go much further.
 
dave_beast said:
There's no doubting the 680 is a great stock card, but overclocked it loses out, it loses out to stock 7950's in Metro2033, how on earth does that happen?
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If PhysX is turned on in Metro 2033 then the fps will be a lot lower for the Nvidia cards which could be the cause? since other benchmarks i saw of Metro 2033 it was very high fps that i guess must have had it turned off.Anyone who's played the game including me surely has noticed this.
 
Quite simply, with max settings applied the 680 is faster within most games, both at stock and when overclocked. According to every review so far, the 680 averages 10% faster.

It costs less (but still too bloody expensive), offers more features, requires less power, and even overclocks just as well as the 7970's. NVidia have just beat AMD's top part with their mainstream performance part. Until today people could argue that the 7970 was a good part. GK104 performance and features make the 7970 look very poor indeed. Even the ~1% of gamers who use 3x monitor setups will be happy because NVidia now support up to 4x.

I cannot wait for NVidia's GK110 high-end part as it appears to be GK104 +50%. Maybe someone should start a new thread:).
 
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