Poll: The GD Referendum – Scottish Independence

[Illgresi]

How much did you have to pay for your education in Scotland?
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Nothing, and I've taken a full loan every year as well, which I'll be leaving the 'Better Together' voters to foot the bill for.

Wow, just wow. I really don't understand the thinking behind some people.
I didn't get my way so I'm going to take my free education then bail out?
Encouraging social irresponsibility?
Laughing when Scotland burns?
It sounds like you are exactly like the kind of person the rest of us would be quite happy to be without.
If you are so concerned about Scotland, and thought that independence was the way forward, I don't see why you would suggest either leaving or actively causing problems. How is that going to help and improve the country you are so concerned about?
I consider that far more unpatriotic and negative than voting no.

I'm no patriot. I couldn't two flying hoots about indepedence. I'm staunchly anti-Westminster because I despise the sleeze and lies, the eton educated toffs, and the entirely undemocratic nature of the whole thing. I wanted independence not only because it would have taken us away from Westminster, but I also feel that I would have been better off financially.

You would rather your country "burns" because a democratic vote didn't go the way you wanted?

Toys and prams springs to mind here.

Out of interest, where are you intending on moving to, once you've used the free education system?

When I graduate I'll have a masters in Mechanical Engineering, so there'll be no shortage of place looking to take me on. I'd happily pay a crapload in tax to the Norwegian government as long as some Tory backbencher can't claim it on expenses. Mechanical Engineer is on Australia's skilled occupations list, there's a foot in the door. Also, I believe that there is no income tax in Dubai. I could handle the Islam for a few years.

 

[OhEsEcks]

If you think politics here in the UK is bad, you're not going to find your Utopia in Australia.

 

[Mynight]

I would bet all other countries have the same "problem". Moving won't do you much good.

 

[Tefal]

Ahhh students ^_^

bless their naive cotton socks.

 

[Raymond Lin]

The grass is greener otherwise syndrome.

 

[Rofflay]

I'm no patriot. I couldn't two flying hoots about indepedence. I'm staunchly anti-Westminster because I despise the sleeze and lies, the eton educated toffs, and the entirely undemocratic nature of the whole thing. I wanted independence not only because it would have taken us away from Westminster, but I also feel that I would have been better off financially.

Yes because everyone is such Tory fans! You do know there are people who love Britain yet despise the Tories? Hell find me a party that is not sleazy? And you actually believe that an Independant Scotland would fix this for you? Oh dear someone bought into Salmonds fairy land of socialism.

The Tories are absoloute scum yes, But at least i know what they want to do. Who can say they know the SNP? A bunch of looneys lead by two typical white guilt types who cannot even bother to have children they hate thier own so much and have made repeated calls for more immigration. Thats who you were going to hand control over too?

 

[JohnnyG]

Ahhh students ^_^

bless their raging hormones..

 

[xs2man]

When I graduate I'll have a masters in Mechanical Engineering, so there'll be no shortage of place looking to take me on. I'd happily pay a crapload in tax to the Norwegian government as long as some Tory backbencher can't claim it on expenses. Mechanical Engineer is on Australia's skilled occupations list, there's a foot in the door. Also, I believe that there is no income tax in Dubai. I could handle the Islam for a few years.

Good luck with that. We could do with less greedy ignorant people here anyway.

As said previously, it's not all sweetness and light elsewhere. While I have no personal experience of Oz, my brother in law lives there, and he comments on how expensive it is over there. And their politicians are worse than UKIP with regards immigration. But I'm sure you'll love it there.

I do currently work in Norway, and have worked in Holland previously. It is seriously NO FUN when over half you wages get taken from you in income tax. THEN you have to pay all the extortionate other taxes, such as 100% import tax on your car (show me a Norwegian manufacturer), stupid money in their VED equivalent (you thought £450 a year was bad, try every 3 months), extra taxes heaped on anything that's not good for you. And obviously, because everything is so expensive, everyone needs paid more, which means everything is more expensive anyway (except electronics for some reason).

And lets not forget house prices approximately double what they are here.

But good luck to you. Go do all that, and not pay back your student loan at 9% of your wages for ~4-5 years. You will not be any better off at all, in fact, you will be worse off really. But at least you wont have given all your hard earned cash away to a bunch of sleazy politicians.

No, wait, you will have, but probably to politicians who don't even speak your language. And, at least initially, you haven't voted for. All the while knowing that as soon as you return, you will have to start paying that money back anyway.

Fill your boots.

 

[OhEsEcks]

While I have no personal experience of Oz, my brother in law lives there, and he comments on how expensive it is over there. And their politicians are worse than UKIP with regards immigration. But I'm sure you'll love it there.

My brother lives there and from Skype chats and email, Tony Abbott is literally Satan incarnate.

Here's a good run down of Tony Abbott's time in power in the political utopia of Australia.

 

[Rofflay]

How much is a pint in Norway? £10? Oslo is one of the most expensive places in the world, But if you look at thier oil profits, They are actually hoarding them in a world where currency can be devalued in a second. Would it not be wise to spend it now on something that earns them money and makes the average Norweigan have to work less and spend more family time? Something fishy is going on in Norway because i really am skeptical about them saving all this money. I bet somewhere there is a fatcat creaming off this savings fund.


I never once heard anyone mention anything other than oil either in Scotland, How about a living wage for every citizen like in Switzerland guaranteed? Drugs legalization? No its oil oil oil, We can do this and that never any guarantees or specifics. Which is why i think they are con men if they were real "Liberals" there would have been radical changes like i said above to build a better Scotland.


Imagine Scotland being a mix of Holland,Norway,Uruguay with the best of the old kept wherever possible. No chance as above poster said crooks are crooks no matter where you go and SNP are crooks who tried to sell a lie without casting it in stone. It is the surest sign of a snake in a suit or what we call a politician. How do you tell Alex Salmond is lying? His lips move!

 

[Illgresi]

Bleh

I'm 30 years old. I'm pretty sure my hormones are under control by now.

 

[MaxP779]

Scotlands fine as it is anyways, whats the problem?

 

[xs2man]

Norway is a very strange country though. They are almost embarrassed about wealth. In Norway, you can look up the salary of any person you want, to see how much money they make. Norwegian companies rarely make much more than 5% profit too.

It's a VERY socialist country. If you're going to be unemployed anywhere in Europe, or indeed the world, Norway and Denmark are somewhere around the top 2 places to be unemployed. Just for what you get in. Obviously outgoings are large too though.

I remember there was a hoopla in Denmark when one of the politicians was commenting on how hard it is for the unemployed, and they should get more. He was challeneged by another politician if he had ever spoken to anyone unemployed to see what they got. He hadn't.

I believe they done it on TV, and when he spoke to some lady, she told him how good it was. 1600 Euro per month, and her flat paid. That put an end to his argument. I don't see why you would work minimum wage when you can get as much as that for sitting on your hoop.

Switzerland is another strange one. They recently turned down a minimum wage that would have guaranteed £32k as the minimum full time wage. But that is indicative of how expensive that country is to live in more than anything else.

It's about to go £6.50 here per hour, so on a 37.5 hour week, 52 weeks a year, that's £12,675 minimum wage. A little more than 1/3rd that of Switzerland's proposal. That too is a VERY expensive country though.

 

[JohnnyG]

I'm 30 years old. I'm pretty sure my hormones are under control by now.

Evidently not if you're calling for people to engage in social irresponsibility.

 

[Ragnahex]

age and maturity are not necessarily linked

 

[Rofflay]

Norway is a very strange country though. They are almost embarrassed about wealth. In Norway, you can look up the salary of any person you want, to see how much money they make. Norwegian companies rarely make much more than 5% profit too.

It's a VERY socialist country. If you're going to be unemployed anywhere in Europe, or indeed the world, Norway and Denmark are somewhere around the top 2 places to be unemployed. Just for what you get in. Obviously outgoings are large too though.

I remember there was a hoopla in Denmark when one of the politicians was commenting on how hard it is for the unemployed, and they should get more. He was challeneged by another politician if he had ever spoken to anyone unemployed to see what they got. He hadn't.

I believe they done it on TV, and when he spoke to some lady, she told him how good it was. 1600 Euro per month, and her flat paid. That put an end to his argument. I don't see why you would work minimum wage when you can get as much as that for sitting on your hoop.

Switzerland is another strange one. They recently turned down a minimum wage that would have guaranteed £32k as the minimum full time wage. But that is indicative of how expensive that country is to live in more than anything else.

It's about to go £6.50 here per hour, so on a 37.5 hour week, 52 weeks a year, that's £12,675 minimum wage. A little more than 1/3rd that of Switzerland's proposal. That too is a VERY expensive country though.

This is natural progression though i bet people look at me as being right wing but, I love what you just typed and i have heard about it too. But look at it this way the only reason ANYTHING is cheap is because someone somewhere gets a bad deal.


Weither those goods are made in a sweatshop in China or by someone on minimum wage in a dingy part of the UK, Someone is basically getting less than they deserve. Which is why when a society is fair prices rise because there is no such thing as anything being cheap. One by one the third worlds will fall until sometimes in a distant future everywhere on earth will have this kind of pricing model. That is unless capitalists can keep some part of the world poor on purpose to be a sweatshop! But India and China are on the road and unstoppable so i would guess in the next 40 years or so we will have to pay a lot more for Chinese goods because they Chinese are going to ask for what we get.

 

[eddiemcgarrigle]

The good old Times newspaper, where black is white and up is down.

 

[xs2man]

The good old Times newspaper, where black is white and up is down.

Or you could read the date of the article and realise that it was from the night of the referendum. In other words, the night before the roles were turned and the Pro-Union mob had their night of "celebration". And were, indeed, just reporting the news that actually happened.

Same to you below...

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

You're surprised that national papers have a political leaning?

You don't have to answer that question.

 

[Evo8]

While I have no personal experience of Oz, my brother in law lives there, and he comments on how expensive it is over there.

Australia is expensive but they get paid much more so it's not expensive for them. I went over a few years ago and paid $42 for four drinks, I was amazed but for my big cousin who lives there it was totally normal.

For the record, I know that some morons marched from the Louden Tavern on Duke Street to George Square just to cause trouble.